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"Armor" and "Fear" are 2 word I rarely associate with each other. When I see a tank or an APC as infantry, I'm not thinking about how were all going to die, I call over Ramirez to use his AT on it and leave. Armor just isn't the awe-inspiring powerhouse I would expect it to be.

Its pretty much depends on who's on the server.

i skipped over all the walls of "tank doctrine".

the point is

as myself and many other people have pointed out, with all the enemy air and anti-tank weaponry available in the game, its very hard for tanks to stay alive long enough to be used effectivly. depending how you look at it, the TG server is either a better or worse place for these tanks because of all the communication.

yes, a tanks primary use in the real world is not as an anti-tank weapon, but in PR, that ends up being its role its role. without the tanks, the infantry is on its own. any way you look at it, there is going to be tank v tank engagements. if supporting the infantry means eliminating a larger threat, those are tanks are the larger threats.

now if, if, your team has air superiority, your ok. without it, your boned. when is the last time anybody saw an "AA" asset squad? everyone has this mythological "all powerful" view of tanks. they say "ehh, they'll be fine, we need their help, they dont need ours."

in the end, leading a tank squad is just a way to waste 36 tickets. but the fault isnt entirely with the tank crews.

'Sirex[SWE wrote:[MoW];1450690']Does not matter, still underequipped in terms of a modern IFV. The BMP-3M got a 40mm AP automatic cannon, 100mm HE gun, and cannon fired atgm. With the rate that IFV and APC armor is improving you could throw out the 25mm of the bradley and set in some extra tow because the 25mm sure enoguh won't be able to destroy anything more heavly armed then a truck with it's main cannon.

BMP-3M has a 30mm cannon.

The BMP-3M will also be able to fire ammunition types including new 100mm laser-guided projectiles, new 100mm HE-FRAG (high-explosive fragmentation) rounds and new 30mm APSDS (armour-piercing discarding sabot) rounds.

BMP-3 Tracked Infantry Combat Vehicle - Army Technology

Souls Of Mischief wrote:

BMP-3M has a 30mm cannon.



BMP-3 Tracked Infantry Combat Vehicle - Army Technology

Okay i wrote wrong. But seriously, isn't this a forum for adults? What kind of post is that to make over a number error. Linking to a video. You guys are not keeping a high-level in the debate.

masterceo wrote: About the Shtora:
quoting wiki as source-lol
TOW is wire, not laser guided, so I believe that it is not effected by Shtora.

This means that passive part, detecting approaching missile, is useless, but the OTShU IR-jammers(0,7-2,7mkm) will work, that is exactly their job. Wire guided missiles have a flare in the back, which is used as reference point by vehicle's FCS guiding missile, once Shtora IR-lights gets into screen - FCS confuses itself what is actually a reference point and missile either hits the ground or goes sky-high.

Passive part of Shtora with TShU laser-detectors is meant to warn the crew about approaching missiles and automatically launch smoke grenades in the direction of laser emitter.

'Sirex[SWE wrote:[MoW]']Also modern Russian army tanks have Arena and Shtora.

Arena is not installed on serial vehicles, i'm not even sure if it have ever been installed on any of T-90/A as a prototype/testing purposes.

In order to break even for ticket loss from losing a tank/IFV, you must either kill two helicopters or APCs(Not IFVs!), or 5 jeeps, or 1 jet, or another tank/IFV. To make using a tank/IFV worth the while strategically, you should wipe out tanks and IFVs, taking out two for every tank/IFV you lose. In order to justify an IFV/Tank after that, you need to be able to allow your infantry to more easily take out the enemy.

Also VW is a glimmer of hope for armored combat to me, I am really hoping to see vehicle warfare with vehicles of all types and fixed flag capping. The addition of AAVs, more IFVs, light ATGM carriers, attack helicopters, and jets, are key.

[R-DEV]DankE_SPB wrote:This means that passive part, detecting approaching missile, is useless, but the OTShU IR-jammers(0,7-2,7mkm) will work, that is exactly their job. Wire guided missiles have a flare in the back, which is used as reference point by vehicle's FCS guiding missile, once Shtora IR-lights gets into screen - FCS confuses itself what is actually a reference point and missile either hits the ground or goes sky-high.

Passive part of Shtora with TShU laser-detectors is meant to warn the crew about approaching missiles and automatically launch smoke grenades in the direction of laser emitter.

Had only a vague idea of how the system worked, thanks for explaining it to me.

Dunno how to put this none ego way, but i consider myself and my partner hubadonical one of the experienced ones in armor crew stuff, and i got this good example screenshot of bmp working with infrantry squad and getting a lot done

http://screenshot.xfire.com/s/90588733-4.jpg

In there we see that in some situations armor is really worth the effort

Fukster wrote:Dunno how to put this none ego way, but i consider myself and my partner hubadonical one of the experienced ones in armor crew stuff, and i got this good example screenshot of bmp working with infrantry squad and getting a lot done

http://screenshot.xfire.com/s/90588733-4.jpg

In there we see that in some situations armor is really worth the effort

Good god, that's quite a number of tickets you must've taken away from the US.