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For me 3RB just seems more akward than using semi, even at close range. However as said before 3RB is used not because it's better than auto fire, but to save money on training.

While many people can do just fine with 3RB in CQC, auto fire is still the king. If it wasn't than why are smgs so useful? The reality is that auto > 3RB > semi in CQC (results may vary when 2 different rifles face off).

At longer ranges auto seems to offer more control than 3RB, almost as controlable as semi at times.

As I first said regadless of how good or bad 3RB is the USA uses it to save money and as such we are stuck with it (if you really want an AR-15 type rifle on your favorite map try and convice the DEVs to make a CF layer ).

Cheditor wrote:3-Round burst works if you can control the weapon. Aim for the stomach and more often than not, the recoil has the other 2 rounds hitting their chest. Don't just fire it, control the recoil.

Yeah, for what its worth (real life training anecdote inbound) we only once used burst at a range and were told we'd never use it. We put it on burst and fired through about 20-30 rounds on a man sized target from about 25 meters and you'd be surprised how many of the Marines weren't all too good at controlling it.

Now, you could argue that with more training they could control it better.. but at least from what I have heard and seen, we will rarely, if ever, train on TRB again. They seriously told us "Enjoy these 25 rounds, because they will be the only rounds you will ever fire on three round burst. Everything else will be semi"

The fleet may well be a different beast, where TRB is used on some circumstances, but it really isnt too effective. Single well placed shots or suppressive fire would do better, imo.

So in game, its really not all that different. Its not amazing (TRB) but in some cases like super CQB, it can level the field with an AK on full auto...

For what its worth... take it or leave it

[R-DEV]OkitaMakoto wrote:some cases like super CQB, it can level the field with an AK on full auto...

Damn straight!
Saved my squad and myself and I racked up a quick 5 or 6 kills today

In fact in MP 3 times today 3 round burst saved my arse in 3 different CQB encounters.(I was USMC on fallujah)

[R-DEV]OkitaMakoto wrote:Yeah, for what its worth (real life training anecdote inbound) we only once used burst at a range and were told we'd never use it. We put it on burst and fired through about 20-30 rounds on a man sized target from about 25 meters and you'd be surprised how many of the Marines weren't all too good at controlling it.

Now, you could argue that with more training they could control it better.. but at least from what I have heard and seen, we will rarely, if ever, train on TRB again. They seriously told us "Enjoy these 25 rounds, because they will be the only rounds you will ever fire on three round burst. Everything else will be semi"

The fleet may well be a different beast, where TRB is used on some circumstances, but it really isnt too effective. Single well placed shots or suppressive fire would do better, imo.

So in game, its really not all that different. Its not amazing (TRB) but in some cases like super CQB, it can level the field with an AK on full auto...

For what its worth... take it or leave it

but there is one problem, in US military you dont have a problem with bullets not registering when you hit that man sized target.
for example in the source mod insurgency using 3round burst on the guns is stupid since you wont hit much of anything, and every round registers (though im not sure if they are using projectiles for bullets)

This thread is pointless

[R-DEV]OkitaMakoto wrote:Yeah, for what its worth (real life training anecdote inbound) we only once used burst at a range and were told we'd never use it. We put it on burst and fired through about 20-30 rounds on a man sized target from about 25 meters and you'd be surprised how many of the Marines weren't all too good at controlling it.

Now, you could argue that with more training they could control it better.. but at least from what I have heard and seen, we will rarely, if ever, train on TRB again. They seriously told us "Enjoy these 25 rounds, because they will be the only rounds you will ever fire on three round burst. Everything else will be semi"

The fleet may well be a different beast, where TRB is used on some circumstances, but it really isnt too effective. Single well placed shots or suppressive fire would do better, imo.

So in game, its really not all that different. Its not amazing (TRB) but in some cases like super CQB, it can level the field with an AK on full auto...

For what its worth... take it or leave it

This post was a gem, nice insight mate.



Also, it does seem somewhat that although childish, the thread title was accurate, peeps

Most full auto weapons in PR - 600 rpm
3-round burst weapons - 900 rpm <- there goes your advantage.
Then there are 900 rpm full-auto weapons and those are kind of overkill at CQB.

IMO TRB is the finest form of fire, its accurate, can be used at long distances, and you can go full auto if you squeeze the trigger fast enough. Not to mention it makes me giddy as a school girl hearing the sound it makes.

USMC scout sniper wrote:3 round burst has saved my *** on countless occasions. It's very useful.

EDIT: Just noticed it's sort of an old thread. Although it's a fair debate so let's get it going again


*Finally registered on the forums*

ON TOPIC:

Same here, Burst has actually saved me alot aswell, I trust in my M16 and the burst to shatter the enemy at mid-short range and i usually use semi-auto for longer ranges.
(Although accurate it's not like in Vanilla BF2 where you could almost snipe with the MP5 semi-auto )

Bringerof_D wrote: i dont mind either but i do prefer letting off a burst of 5 rather than 3

IMO the russians did it right with the AN-94 and its 2 round burst, More accurate than a 3 round burst and about twice as deadly. (Might be because of the fact that the AN-94 fires the 5.45?39 mm M74 cartridge, Nicknamed "The poison bullet" due to its tendency to tumble upon impact thus doing even greater bodily harm to soldiers getting in the bullets way. Just a thought though.)
Also let's not forget the AN-94's unique barrel significantly lowering the recoil of the weapon.

3-round burst can also be useful when determining the cartridges remaining in the magazine, i.e. a full 30 round magazine can fire 10 bursts before it is dry. Just an advantage, if you count your bursts.

I find the 3 round burst useful at CQB but not at a range of lets say 30m as I think it should be.

You've got to pull down with your mouse when burst firing. Works like a charm
I'm always on burst mode, I hit better with it for some reason... Not at distance though, anything over 100m is single fire.

Auto allows me to fire single shots when needed and unload massive amounts of death without having to select a different firing mode. This is why 3 round burst will always be at a disadvantage in PR as we rarely run low on ammo, if this were the real world those rounds saved by not having full auto could well keep you alive. 3 round burst is for cowboys with little fire discipline, and considering this is a game everyone can be cowboy and respawn with full ammo or resupply off of dead guys.

One of the reasons that the Americans implemented burst fire, was because it's conservative. If you're suppressing with full auto, your ready to fire and reload time ratio is shit. Not so if youre using 3 round burst. I also find that in CQB the 3 round burst is adequate, I dont find myself being killed by opponents with full auto weapons more often than they should. Personally I prefer the full auto, simply because at times the mag dump spray does save your ***, however people's complaints about 3 round burst are way overstated, and you're just blaming your weapon.

3 rounds usually equals instant b&w in CQB.

I see no problem with it considering most of the time the full auto weapon used is shooting at 600rpm instead of 900rpm.

You just need to keep clicking instead of holding down the mouse...rate of dumping an entire mag is not much slower than fullauto at 600rpm.

3 round burst can be effective, especially in CQC, just like FA is.

I've generally found that in PR, if you're too far away to hose someone down with 3RB, you should probably hold fire altogether and flank to close with the enemy anyway.

Why is pointless, how many did u stab till now in PR, 1,2,...10, so by your logic we dont need a knife or bayonet. And burst are not ment to snipe on people but to suppresed the enm and to have advantage at CQB or heavy forrest.

AND MOST IMPORTANT is that THIS is project REALITY, that means if M4 have burst IRL, it sould have it in the game, not becouse u like it or not, but becouse of realism!

I find that people who fuzz about the burst fire mode, SKS single-fire CQB or AK series (Included G3, in Sweden it's AK4) sucks in Long range (Ironsight) is awfully mistaken. Its more in how you learn to use your weapon or learn the spray / auto fire patterns and accuracy... I started playing PR in 0.91/95 versions and quickly adapted to every single weapon in the game by studying and testing the weapons.

Burst mode is very accurate and very ammo conservative, lets you fire 1 or 2 bursts with very accurate fire into the target and quickly maneuver, I agree on that 2 - 4 bullets out of those 2 bursts actually hits the target, but 2 bullets are lethal enough to put you out of the fight. AK series are one of the games most accurate single-fire weapons, the fact that they are made for superior fire overpower with auto fire their first 2 - 3 bullets in full auto fire has decreased accuracy, this gives in single fire significant accurate fire with first 2 or 3 bullets with 0.4 sec duration (fire 1 bullet, wait 0.4 sec (echo sound of the weapon) and fire again).

SKS in CQB works approximately as the 9mm does, the spray pattern and accuracy makes it one of the deadlies CQB weapons in the game due to accuracy and depending how trigger happy you are, best way is aim in the sight and walk back or forward, this is recommended for aggressive advance forward (pushing) or falling back (dunno how to explain it, in Swedish it's "V?xelvis bak?t/fram?t"). As I said SKS works like 9mm pistol, aim in, and walk forward firing - the single fire and the fact that SKS is a medium ranged Auto-sniper makes it's accuracy very deadly and powerful in CQB. (BUT SKS IN CQB DUEL IS LOST CAUSE).

This is how I learned and keep working on my accuracy and mastering the weapons in PR, been doing it since the beginning, even if this doesn't make sense for any of you, it works - and that's what counts

/CC

Ca6e wrote:Why is pointless, how many did u stab till now in PR, 1,2,...10, so by your logic we dont need a knife or bayonet. And burst are not ment to snipe on people but to suppresed the enm and to have advantage at CQB or heavy forrest.

AND MOST IMPORTANT is that THIS is project REALITY, that means if M4 have burst IRL, it sould have it in the game, not becouse u like it or not, but becouse of realism!

I actually have made quite a few knife kills before.

Especially in maps where there's lots of jungle.