*NwA* UK Reality (Europe)

[kopite73]

loller i understand and was sorry for what you seen the football thing was one of many PM recived during the day becase he was time banned at the weekend , for reports against him from public players . The guy was on a mision to disrupt the night. I am sorry you had to see that .

I am not going to comment to danger .

Mcuncool can explain his actions on our forum and ill unban him . As yes I might of got wound up by him too much , but some time you have to trust what people report , im sure you understand that too.

[Loller]

Kopite, i havent got all the facts and it doesnt seem as clean cut as its made, admin teams deal with a lot of stupid idiots each day. i simply wanted to comment that i thought the manner you dealt with the "problems" was wrong and an abuse of your power, and therefore i used the feedback thread as is the point of these feedback threads . im sure ill continue to play on your server in the future, but i would like to play on it and not have to worry im going to get banned for disagreeing or irritating an admin over a simple comment made, if i can highlight something here and you take it seriously maybe you can take action as a clan to correct it, to make it an even more enjoyable experience on your server.

[saXoni]

Seriously guys - open your eyes!

I've read Danger's posts, and as far as I can tell he's not asking for an unban, nor is he looking for trouble. He is simply telling the NwA-admins to make sure each other behave in a proper way. Banning someone with the reason "Fuck you" or "Tosser" is completely unacceptable, as actually writing a short reason for the ban doesn't cost you more than a couple of seconds.

This is not the first time an admin has showed this kind of behavior, and simply ignoring it by saying "Nobody's perfect" is not the right way to do it. Is this really how you want your admins to behave, NwA? Do you want to be known as the people banning others without a proper explanation, and being known for having admins with such dreadful behavior?
I don't think so. I think you all know what's right, but you can't tell each other because you're "too close", which is - in my opinion - an even better reason to take care of each other, and make sure such behavior stops.

You've got to stop backing up the admins that are making mistakes. You've got to talk to them, and tell them exactly what they've done wrong, and what they need to do next time, regardless of how long they've been an admin, what kind of admin they are, and who their friends are.

When it comes to the manner of dealing with admins causing trouble you're reminding me of =]H[=. You're telling the forum administrators to delete all posts regarding admins causing trouble, and you're doing everything you can to protect these individuals instead of actually admitting that what has happened was your mistake, and that you will do whatever you can to prevent this from happening again.

With that said, I'd also like to add that I do like the majority of NwA. I'm having a good time on your server, and I don't want that to change. This is a feedback-section, and I'd like to state my opinion.

This is on my behalf, and has nothing to do with the rest of the sN1|.


Thanks,
saX.

[Danger_6]

All I have tried to do is help, I have written emails and discussed this issue with senior administrators. The issue and I have only been ignored. Hence my resignation. There is nothing personal except for the ban I received from Kopite earlier today.

[IINoddyII]

I'm reluctant to moderate posts as I think as it stands right now they are within the guidelines for the feedback section. I will seek a review of this however.

Having said that, personally I think both sides have made their point and any further discourse would be best served on the NWA forums or via PM's.

If an interested party is not satisfied with my (in)action - please pm one of the senior mods for review.

[dtacs]

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I completely agree. One of the reasons I haven't played PR in about a month is the decline in admin quality on NwA. It's also the reason I'm no longer a supporting member.

I really hope the quality of play and adminship doesn't decline further.

[Orford]

Ok Noddy.

Their are two sides to every story, some people get listened to more than others. Admins always get it in the neck. Also out of the hundreds of unique players that connect to the server it only takes one or two to state there negative opinion leading to NwA getting a bad name.
What was typed was wrong, the person it was aimed at new why, given his 2 time bans over the weekend and PMs on our forum. What you witnessed was 10% of what was going on. The screen shots from our forum were taken out of context by Danger for his own gain. your all welcome to get see it all. No post or thread is deleted or told by an admin to be deleted, again lies not fact. Once a ban appeal is delt with it goes in the archive incase it is needed in the future.

You guys really have to get a grasp of facts, we do deal with these issues, Danger doesn't like us and his campaign shows that.

Kopite has said sorry for typing that after getting wound up by some one going out of there way to provoke him.
You have no clue what happens behind closed doors and are still coming to fact less conclusions.

Danger why are you still going on about emails and PM being ignored. You have you opinion we discus it and deal with it. If you want a written report of every conversation each time the admins have a chat or you deem yourself being ignored and nothing is being done then that's you hang up.
You set out to provoke kopite, got a reaction then bad mouthed NwA on Mumble. Do you honestly think you will be taken seriously after that.


You have an axe to grinde you have done so, dragging every one else who has ever had a gripe with NwA into it. Kop has said sorry, where is your appology?

I'm done dealing with PR ****, players thinking there gods when a admin messes up , not knowing facts, spouting utter bollox, purposefully setting out to goad a reaction, mounting a campaign to prove your point cos you think nothing gets done.


So so sad, keyboard warriors it just a game ffs.

I'm done turn off the server, why pay hundreds of GBP to provide a great place for people to play a GAME for free when one person with a stick up his arse can do all this damage. When one admin reacts after getting wound up.

Why bother? Servers keep on churning, another PR clan gets ousted by the free playing public. Some one else's turn.

*NwA*Orford..........Gone.

[Danger_6]

You're stating new facts and I feel compelled to reply, my apologies to the forum admin in advance:

I don't understand how these screen shots could be taken out of context, please explain your points that you make. Two regulars on your server were banned for questionable reasons (the reasons for the ban are not being questioned here despite the personal bans people have received in the past). The banning admin replied to a well worded and coherent ban appeal with a torrent of swears. I deemed that unacceptable and wrote that the banning admin should tone down his language, the two bottom screen shots were replies from two administrators to my simple request. The first screen shot is also quite self explanatory, I was banned for questioning the way the in which the admin banned a player, I then proceeded to the forums and made an appeal. The first screen shot shows the response I received.

Now, what's the point in server feed back if it's going to be censored to remove all negative images of a clan. Surely instead of hiding away from the issue the clan administrators would want to deal with it? You even state above that you are worried about NwA receiving a bad name, well why not act on helpful criticism and deal with issues? As I have also stated before I have tried to allay my disdain in a private forum via private pms, I was ignored and I decided to leave the clan and try no more to resolve this issue. I left the clan to avoid the politics, I still have good friendships with many NwA clan members, friendships which I cherish, therefore I decided to play on the NwA servers. After all, I had not mentioned the reasoning behind my resignation to the wider NwA community. I was there on good terms to enjoy a game with some professional players.

The only reason for why I deemed it necessary to make an open post such as this is a last hope of desperation that you can resolve the issue I have been discussing for a long time. It's clear that I cannot continue in good faith with NwA as I was banned so ardently and was insulted on the forums. I made a kosher complaint and I was banned. This is blatant censorship, and is a blatant personal attack from the senior administration of this clan.

I am here to display my displeasure for the way I have been manhandled.

My point is that there are so many apologies an admin can make. If I were able to have access to your forums I could be able to point out several occasions in which a certain admin has made an apology after a torrent of swears and insults.

I am sorry that you think I am going out of my way to aggravate an admin. This is not the case. It's difficult to take criticism. I have only ever tried to behave in good faith towards the NwA clan. I too have also contributed as an administrator and a financial benefactor to this clan. I feel I have a right to voice my opinions.

The PR community is a great one, I really enjoy playing this game and I have met many people from across the globe! It's quite exciting if you look at it. I think it sad to see that certain people have to vent their frustrations through their administrator rights and I also find it equally sad that repeat offenders aren't dealt with.

If this is an unbiased server feed back thread my posts shouldn't be censored. I am merely giving some feed back. It hurts because it's negative feed back, but how else can people improve without criticism!

Best Regards,

Danger

[Pirate]

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[Orford]

*NwA* Management Announcement.

Dear Project Reality Community,

Please take the time to read and understand this post.

Over the past few weeks there has been number of issues on our servers and website, a lot of people deliberately setting out to attack our admin team. There have been lots of PM's sent and communicated among our admin team. As a result of many meeting and discussions there have been many issues addressed within the clan.
We will strive to continue to grow as a community and would like to give back to the public the gaming experience they are used to here on our servers.

*NwA* Kopite was targeted and provoked he realised his actions are not in keeping with how we wish to be viewed by the PR community. He sends his apologies, and has decided to step down from all his admin responsibilities on the *NwA* Project Reality servers effective immediately.

We are sad to see him go and over the years have worked hard to support his efforts in being a bit calmer when taking action on the server. He has come to his own conclusion that it’s time to call it a day.

We will be moving towards running one mixed server over the next week as this will be best for us.

[Arc_Shielder]

We will be moving towards running one mixed server over the next week as this will be best for us.

Conflicts aside, I think that is a wise decision considering how many times I've witnessed the AAS server with little to no people. I haven't played in the last months in your server due to PRTA duties, but I have no doubt that you will keep striving for excellence.

[saXoni]

Glad to see that something is changing. Keep it up, NwA.

[Mr.Arked]

Danger, come back to Arkie!

[Mineral]

nice to hear. It's always hard to make these decisions like Kopite and your team did. My first months on PR were spend on NWA, and I do not regret it you guys made me enjoy this game. I might have start spending my time on other servers now, but i still like to hop into NWA from time to time. And you might have some admin troubles, but that doesn't really affect the nice gameplay i have on your servers. But please make sure these things don't happen again. They really can ruin a community. And that would be a shame. And one suggestion, be more open to your members. it's a good thing to show that you are working on these internal issues, so they know they can still trust the admins.

[Stealthgato]

I started playing PR on *NwA* aswell, and I played there for almost a year regularly with great gameplay, made some good friends and even contributed in getting some glitchers and cheaters. I liked it.

However, around 5 months ago the administration on the server started going downhill really fast - coupled with the fact that *NwA* has a fixed maplist instead of map voting and changing like the other servers (by fixed maplist I mean it's a maplist that has a fixed rotation which means always same maps in same order until that map list is refreshed, which is a system that is undeniably far inferior to the map voting system that is on [NEW] and PRTA) and that it is the server that crashes most often in PR (which means it's usually the first 3-4 maps in the rotation getting played over and over again) lead me to stay away from it.

P.S.: I am not talking in behalf of 3dAC, only myself.

[Snippers]

I started playing PR on NwA aswell, and I played there for almost a year regularly with great gameplay, made some good friends and even contributed in getting some glitchers and cheaters. I loved it. However, around 5 months ago the administration on the server started going downhill really fast, and coupled with the fact that NwA has a fixed maplist instead of map voting and changing like the other servers and that it is by far the server that crashes the most lead me to stop playing there.

The maplist changes every day by automatic system. I have been encouraging clan members to submit maplists to me to be included in the system, I know this hasn't directly been open to the public, but if you do have maplists that you would like to provide they could be included subject to review.

Regarding crashes we do what we can, but PR is not the most stable game out there. Our servers are restarted everyday and we try to alter maplists that do cause crashes.

[Navo]

Why not use the mapvoting?

[Tit4Tat]

Fixed maplist?

as far as i remember before this automatic sysytem was introduced members and pubbers would suggest lists and that list would be run for a week and than changed the following week.


regarding admins, i think its unfair to generalise. Our admin team has its bad moments (who hasent) but the good moments out weight the bad many times over imo, and 3dac plus yourself stealth know this first hand..



Long live NwA

[MaSSive]

Had great round tonight with my guys on Burning Sands. We came in and it was complete clusterfuck, GB team had only VCP left, nobody was flying trans most of ppl scattered along the map. Few guys in main arguing about CAS AH64.

I dont know how it ended, cause I lost connection ( thanks to my ISP!11 ) but it was nice comeback to see.

Some people that helped this happen are guys from [GCA] and my guys - sEX_YU, and all the others making round come back ...sorry I'm not very good with names. Thanks guys.

Remark on administration.

I think maybe some of your members was online but not admins, since we had smack in the base rushing to fly AH64 trying out Ch47's and wasting them. You should have admin online all the time. I wont say any names, cause I forgot them probably but just a heads up.

[NaytdawgUK]

Hi there, thanks for your input, we do obviously try to have an admin online or at least contactable at all times, however as im sure you will appriciate, we have lives, wifes, kids and jobs outside of pr too

Next time theres an issue, ask a NwA Clan member to check the ts, chances are an admin will be lurking somewhere, or on someones steam/xfire


Failing that, we take reports very seriously, scribble down the name tim and offense, screenshots if possible and although it wont help you straight away, we will ban the person in the hope to educate them for the next time they come to play.

Cheers, Nayt
NwA Admin