and certain settings are restricted to a minimum of Medium, to help to reduce exploits with people running on Low settings to gain an advantage.
I'm pretty sure that the setting you're talking about is dynamic lighting. It does so much impact on performance so you're just going to force some people to play with 15 FPS. Oh and it does not gives any real advantage.
Thank god i have some skills about reversing and ur restrictions hardly will be working.
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sirfstar, sorry but I can't resist asking: how may one's financial situation be so desperate that he just cannot afford a rig able to run PR on max settings with at least 30 fps. You know, you don't need a high-end system for that, just something average, and all average hardware is really cheap nowadays. I believe PR can be running pretty smooth on any typical gaming rig dating back to 2008-2009. How old must one's system be?
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sirfstar wrote:I'm pretty sure that the setting you're talking about is dynamic lighting. It does so much impact on performance so you're just going to force some people to play with 15 FPS. Oh and it does not gives any real advantage.
Thank god i have some skills about reversing and ur restrictions hardly will be working.
Loving how you're just announcing to the world you'll be hacking, about as subtle as an elephant with a vuvuzela aren't ya...
[R-DEV]AfterDune wrote:Seriously? Students, people that have a family to support, mortgage/rent to pay, who lost their job, etc, etc, etc.
There are so many reasons why one can't afford a new rig.
But hardware is as cheap as dirt! As I said, average hardware. You don't need top-notch for PR. You can also buy used rigs at a price of bloody nothing. It's just funny. There are many ways to at least save up some cash for an upgrade over time or something like that. Also students can do part-time jobs, and someone who lost a job has to find a new one anyways so whats the point? I mean, if you like something and want something, you'll find a way. If not really, I guess, you'll come to the forums and say something like a person above.
The most amusing thing here is, I think sirfstar and most of people he is talking about can afford good rig but just don't bother.
PR is designed to work on multiple hardware configurations.
We are working very hard to optimise the game so that it works on alot of computers with a minimum spec somewhere above but not too far from BF2's.
I'll let AM confirm anyway, but I don't think forced medium dynamic lighting is gonna happen anyway; it's more important to have medium effects to make smoke screens work at longer distances.
So sirfstar's concerns are unfounded anyway; but I'm still aghast he's already planning to try and circumvent game mechanics. if I were a server admin, i'd want to keep an eye on people who claim to do such practices while they were on my game server...
Ipkiss wrote:But hardware is as cheap as dirt! As I said, average hardware. You don't need top-notch for PR. You can also buy used rigs at a price of bloody nothing. It's just funny. There are many ways to at least save up some cash for an upgrade over time or something like that. Also students can do part-time jobs, and someone who lost a job has to find a new one anyways so whats the point? I mean, if you like something and want something, you'll find a way. If not really, I guess, you'll come to the forums and say something like a person above.
The most amusing thing here is, I think sirfstar and most of people he is talking about can afford good rig but just don't bother.
I'm not getting your point , are you against games having low range requirements??
[R-DEV]AfterDune wrote:Seriously? Students, people that have a family to support, mortgage/rent to pay, who lost their job, etc, etc, etc.
There are so many reasons why one can't afford a new rig.
Ipkiss still makes a good point. Players are locked into an ISP regardless of their income situation and their ping can impact their gameplay. I hope that we move beyond players with the ability to set their settings on 'looks like plastic'.
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I'm sorry Ipkiss, but my computer is a 2005 HP Slimline. My mom bought it back in that time. Now I'm 16 years old, I still live with my mom, I'm a student and I don't have a part-time job. This means that my mom is paying for my cell, for my clothes, my games, etc... I want to play PR but I have an nVidia 6150se nForce 430. This thing have 128MB of VRAM and I'm getting 15 FPS constant on PR with all low settings including a resolution of 800x600.
My mom bought me a graphics card (a $50 GT210 to be precise) about three years ago, but when I installed it, I've noticed that all my system (including the new card) was pumping around 240W to my 160W PSU. I've used that card for 2 years and a half, but now, I've removed it because I've burn some capacitors inside my PSU which means it doesn't even output 160W anymore, and it won't even boot up with my GT210. So I'm back with my 6150se, and I would love to buy a new PSU. I've found some Mini-ITX power supplies (I have a Mini-ITX case and motherboard) who would fit perfectly my needs. It's a 250W PSU, and it costs 45$. But would you guess ? My personal fortune sums up to absolutely 0$ right now ! I don't even have a penny on me ! The only money I have in my wallet are two $1 bills for the USA that I kept from my last vacations there.
So you guessed it. My mom has to buy everything for me. But she has other things to pay first, and my PC comes in last position.
Comments like you wrote makes me rage... Not everyone can afford a computer and your statement "hardware is as cheap as dirt" is absolutely false. I've been a gamer for years now, but the highest specs I've ever had lies in my Slimline that I have right now, and I've been dreaming nights and nights about having a sweet i7 2600k and a GTX 560Ti. But these things have to get out of my mind, because they will not be mine until quite a while.
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Ipkiss wrote:But hardware is as cheap as dirt! As I said, average hardware. You don't need top-notch for PR. You can also buy used rigs at a price of bloody nothing.
It's just funny. There are many ways to at least save up some cash for an upgrade over time or something like that. Also students can do part-time jobs, and someone who lost a job has to find a new one anyways so whats the point? I mean, if you like something and want something, you'll find a way. If not really, I guess, you'll come to the forums and say something like a person above.
The most amusing thing here is, I think sirfstar and most of people he is talking about can afford good rig but just don't bother.
If they do have the money, but just don't bother, that's something different. If you have the money (more than enough of it, that is) and complain about things, you should just buy a new rig.
But still there are LOTS of people who really cannot afford to buy a new pc, even if it's a mid-range class or lower. It would be foolish to think everyone can afford it.
And make no mistake, getting a new job these days is easier said than done.
'[R-DEV wrote:AfterDune;1887727']If they do have the money, but just don't bother, that's something different. If you have the money (more than enough of it, that is) and complain about things, you should just buy a new rig.
But still there are LOTS of people who really cannot afford to buy a new pc, even if it's a mid-range class or lower. It would be foolish to think everyone can afford it.
And make no mistake, getting a new job these days is easier said than done.
Yup. And even if you do have the money for a computer you may be forced to get a computer that isnt so great. For example, me! I had to get a laptop for school that could last a long time on battery and be quiet, so i got a 1000 dollar HP laptop, not too great, but it does what i need it to do, plus gaming on low- med.
But i do understand his concern about having certain graphics setting set at a certain level that we cant change. But if the devs do this i do understand why they might. i.e. shadows and shit for everyone?
"It's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog." -Mark Twain
people always seem to think that the devs pull this stuff out of the blue just to make people annoyed. Me and others spend quite a few hours comparing graphic settings to see if they would be exploitable. What the dev team did is a result of that testing.
Yes we might have some players who will have trouble running the game smoothly, but this is the best solution IMO to make sure the game stays as much balanced and fair as they can make it.
[R-DEV]Rudd wrote:Loving how you're just announcing to the world you'll be hacking, about as subtle as an elephant with a vuvuzela aren't ya...
Loving how you guys just wasting the time on unnecessary things.
This is why:
it's more important to have medium effects to make smoke screens work at longer distances.
The only thing that low effect do is DISadvantage by not seeing explosions and not being able to adjust UGL shots for example, never had any issues with smoke.
But the fun fact is that anyone can make the smoke transparent with some bugs of BF2 and built-in ATI drivers features. So restricting any settings just does not makes any sense.
'[R-DEV wrote:AfterDune;1887727']If they do have the money, but just don't bother, that's something different. If you have the money (more than enough of it, that is) and complain about things, you should just buy a new rig.
But still there are LOTS of people who really cannot afford to buy a new pc, even if it's a mid-range class or lower. It would be foolish to think everyone can afford it.
And make no mistake, getting a new job these days is easier said than done.
Okay, but still I don't believe in these LOTS of people, I think their numbers are small. Most of PR players have PCs able to run it fairly well and I was surprised seeing that guy's post.
I also stand on the "low settings are a cheat" side of the question.
zombie-yellow, GET A JOB! HELP YOUR POOR MOM GODDAMMIT! Haha, just kidding. Meant no offense bro. It's actually cool to see players of your age in PR. I'm just got too used to only 20+ y.o. guys in my part of community so that's where all my judgements come from.
MineralWouter wrote:people always seem to think that the devs pull this stuff out of the blue just to make people annoyed. Me and others spend quite a few hours comparing graphic settings to see if they would be exploitable. What the dev team did is a result of that testing.
Yes we might have some players who will have trouble running the game smoothly, but this is the best solution IMO to make sure the game stays as much balanced and fair as they can make it.
As long as textures can be set to low and effect on med then it should be fine, in my experience those are the 2 biggest lag makers.
"It's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog." -Mark Twain
sirfstar wrote:anyone can make the smoke transparent with some bugs of BF2 and built-in ATI drivers features. So restricting any settings just does not makes any sense.
Almost anyone. I would never even think to do any sort of thing.
I agree that the numbers are small of those who find it very difficult to upgrade. Were gamers (hello!) and gamers upgrade in pursuit of playing newer and better games. But unfortunately the economy will prevent some from keeping up.
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