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It's awesome to put up a server, support a mod, talk it up, get people to check it out, praise the devs, and then have those very devs throw it back in your face and tell you that you are not worthy to play because your community has slightly different needs. "This mod is not for you".

Nice.

Oh, the poor victims...
the Dev's are the ones who MADE the mod, and they are the ones who tell you how it should be played.

Killi Vanilli wrote:It's awesome to put up a server, support a mod, talk it up, get people to check it out, praise the devs, and then have those very devs throw it back in your face and tell you that you are not worthy to play because your community has slightly different needs. "This mod is not for you".

Nice.

On the other hand I as a PR fan get pissed of when getting the short spawn time arcade PR servers. It's a matter of embracing the system and instead of being so damn short sighted, see what the longer spawn time actually does for the damn gameplay on a bigger scale instead of just "I wanna action nowz!".

Try to analyze gameplay and the effects on long vs. short spawn time when a point is being attacked. It's obvious really that the arcade Rambo style of the short spawn time just doesn't fit with PR.

So I agree. Short spawn time has not place in PR and this may not be the mod for you. The mod should set standart we play by on all servers instead of all kinds of variants.

I know that devs made the mod, thanks. I am fully aware of how much work goes into one, and appreciative of their efforts.

bosco wrote:Oh, the poor victims...
the Dev's are the ones who MADE the mod, and they are the ones who tell you how it should be played.

If you are right, let's have developers come to our forum and tell our members not to host OSF server any more if they don't appreciate our settings. Link is below:
OSF Forum

Engineer wrote:There is this Myxo (?) 64-player server, and its usually full.
In server message they say that long spawn times are removed for better PRR, what the *ell does PRR stand for? Project Reality Raping?

hello!!
i had to reply to this horrible post, where did u read that Engineer? dont say bullshit on other teams please just to put fire on this thread, keep serious here. On this server's message its just written : for easier PRR.
The difference is important, this is a server for newbies if you want, no problem with that.

Ill be honest too, and explain why we reduced waiting time :
at first this server was runned up for our team only. We removed the atrition penality to learn how to play because most of us find the mod far too difficult to handle and had no fun.
I find no other way to make them try again and get some experience to start having fun..
You all know starting on PR is hard!
I will add that we never mentionned on the server name that there's no atrition penality
Actually we have a lot of players coming, always the same people and teams. I think they started PR on this server, like us and for the same reasons.
Now, we are raising slowly the atrition penality to reach acceptable waitings for everybody. This was our decision before you start this thread.

Thats for our part and the small history. I totally understand and respect the elite players who dont like non Pro servers. But dont forget tolerance!!! There should be a place for every kind of player, the pro servers, and the non pro servers. Just have a look at this server for example, we are raising the spawn time slowly now, we gave our little community a place to learn, now we are trying to give them a place to play. this is just "our way" nobody is obliged to agree.

i will just add that i totally disagree with those servers claiming no spawn wait, fast abr ranking etc. i cant believe that admins try to fill their servers like that. If i can give my point of view, i think that man down time and spawn delays should be hardcored. Atrition should be a configurable setting. For me its a good balance.

sorry for the long post and thx for reading my bad english, but Engineer's post was a real pain

A very interesting thread..... I don't know how many Southpark fans there are here, but it reminds me of the episode that pitted the "Federation of Atheists" vs. the "United Atheist front", (or something like that).

Personally, I feel it is the market that inevitably decides. If the "true" PR servers dry up, well I guess that is what the market is saying, (though I doubt this will happen). If there are a portion of servers that want to loosen up the rules, so be it. As long as there are a number of servers available for either choice, then that is utopia IMO.

The analogy about car manufacturing is a little off, because to accurately convert the example to this situation you actually have BOTH models available to choose from, (given that there is availability of both kinds of servers). Now if, (a big "IF"), the day comes that short-spawn servers take over and classic PR servers disappear, maybe it needs to be re-examined, but until then having a choice is always better.

Doc.Canis wrote:On the other hand I as a PR fan get pissed of when getting the short spawn time arcade PR servers.

Then why go to them?

Btw, I am not talking about spawn times. I happen to like them longer.

EDIT: I also want to add that I have full respect for hardcore pure PR fans as well. I would just hope there was some respect for those of us that are not.

How many of us true reality players actually join these servers in question?
I will join a server, check to see what the squads and unassigned players list looks like and if I don't see what I like, I go to a different one.
Teh noobs can have their servers, I'll stick to mine.

I did vote for hardcoding if possible though.
Visit us at the Devils Brigade server sometime, we'd love some good competition

Oasis map, on 5 second spawn time = Vanilla frag fest!

'[DVB wrote:DirtyBeets']Visit us at the Devils Brigade server sometime, we'd love some good competition

I've played on your server a number of times, but the past week or so I haven't seen it in my server listing...

@Toecutter - Probably not populated.
our squad is mainly from the central - eastern timezone and play in the afternoon usually from like 2ish to midnight.

Iam really not understanding why are people breaking out the pitch forks about this issue? I really dont understand. If you like Pr with the long spawn times play on a server that has this option enabled. If you are short on time and want to enjoy just the rifles and vehicles then go to a modded one. Why are people trying to control what others want to do. You dont have to be a part of the modded community. Just stick to your faithful server end of story. People are like "Its not the way the game was meant to be played." OK....... You dont have to play it that way if you dont want to and stop caring how others want to do it. That is just plain something I dont get. They spent money on a server that they want to do what they want with. It is as simple as that.

this is my beef hauler:
Fans of REAL tactical realism hear about project reality. They hear about all the amazing realistic things in the mod and the great teamwork, etc. They download and join one of the popular servers (which incidentally is almost always a short spawn time server). This has happened to several people I know, and if I didnt tell them what servers to specifically go to, they would have done which Im sure many true tactical realism fans have already done with PR:

They find its retardedly spammy, and feels exactly like vanilla with very little tactics or teamwork. they are completely turned off and promptly delete the mod.

So then along comes 12 year old jimmy who is a really big fan of running around with a grenade launcher and seeing how many kills he can get in a row. Hes getting bored with BF2, and finds this mod called PR something... its got some new guns and its really easy to kill people now! He joins the server with most people, and happily spams away...

So question is, do we just let all the jimmy's flood in and play on the servers they enjoy, and hope that the real tactical gamers find the good servers before their patience runs out?

Its a tough call... all I can say is that overall player quality was a helluva lot better in the earlier releases... not saying short spawn time servers are to blame, but they definitely play a part at 'retaining' these less than ideal players.

I dont call the shots for PR this is just my opinion, but I think something needs to be done to better differentiate the official severs from the goofy ones.

I dont call the shots for PR this is just my opinion, but I think something needs to be done to better differentiate the official severs from the goofy ones.

Agreed.
A new PR gamer should be able to join a server running the "real" mod without having to jump around and possibly being put off by vBF2ish PR servers.

Nice post fuzzhead.

Fuzz I do agree that play was 10 times better in earlier releases of the game. Now we have people who spawn rape a rally point till the cows come home. Cant understand why? O well but I do have to say it is wrong to say people who pay to play like the owners of the servers have to follow strict guidelines I just cant buy into that. I understand where the faithful is coming from but this is a free mod except for the ones that pay for the servers and they should be made happy for shelling out the money for the game(servers). Trust me I dont want Jimmy here either but its not fair to the people that pay to play. There is my perspective.

I just wanna say thx to hauler and others like him that understand where us server admins are coming from in regards to this issue.

I also wanna say thx to those that are putting your points across intelligently and in a respectful manner.

I completely agree with fuzz about the need for a better system with the differentiation between PROS and modded servers. That's what the whole PROS thing was all about. That's why we named the server like we did because we want to be upfront about it. If some newb sees whatever PR PROS and sees =CDU= Short Spawn. Do you honestly think they will believe the =CDU= one is stock? It seems to me that it is pretty obvious our server has a shorter spawn time then the norm just with it's title. Also when you join you get in the welcome message a short lil description of what is different and are told to go to our website for more detailed information.

They might not understand how the game plays out on PROS servers but they should know that obviously we are running shorter spawn times. I constantly hear complaints about how people should read the manual and they should. It wouldn't be a bad thing to add something to the manual specifying what PROS means.

Please don't take this the wrong way but if you really want people to play your mod in only a certain way then don't release it to the public. Just host private tourneys like 21cw did back in the DC days. Then you will only have the purists playing and the server population can drop a little. If you don't mind people playing your mod in a way that best suits them then keep doing what your doing.

Like I said I don't wanna be offensive just making a general statement.

people who complain about waiting 40 seconds to spawn are playing the wrong game.

i'm in favor of a 2s-per-death penatly instead of 1s.

Hauler wrote:Fuzz I do agree that play was 10 times better in earlier releases of the game. Now we have people who spawn rape a rally point till the cows come home. Cant understand why? O well but I do have to say it is wrong to say people who pay to play like the owners of the servers have to follow strict guidelines I just cant buy into that. I understand where the faithful is coming from but this is a free mod except for the ones that pay for the servers and they should be made happy for shelling out the money for the game(servers). Trust me I dont want Jimmy here either but its not fair to the people that pay to play. There is my perspective.

Nobody pays to play this dumb ***. It not 'their' mod, its the dev teams, and its not a matter of if they have the 'right' to do something, its if they have the ability and desire too, end of story. I agree completely with 99% of the people in this thread that the short spawn time servers are retarded and need to be disabled/banned/not giving server files, whatever. We don't want little jimmy screwing up this mod, and if little jimmy doesn't want to wait then screw him go play something else. He has no 'right' to play this mod, only the ability too, and if he doesn't want too, tough.

In regards to server admins, same thing. They paid money to someone, good for them. They don't want to play by the rules, stop paying. They didn't pay for the mod, they paid for a server, which just so happens to run this mod by their choice. Tough.