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Yeah, any conflict with Russia, China and in Korea (Kyongan'Ni and Hamgyong) would involve Japan, they've even been involved in the war effort in Iraq.
I'd still love to see the Japanese military in PR

There are talks about getting rid of or amending Article 9 of their constitution, allowing them to take part in more than just defensive or peacekeeping operations; so I don't think it's too far-fetched to make them operate elsewhere.
If the US went to a major scale war in the Pacific theater, I'm sure they'd try to pull as many strings as possible to let them support the operations.

Here's Article 9

Article 9. Aspiring sincerely to an international peace based on justice and order, the Japanese people forever renounce war as a sovereign right of the nation and the threat or use of force as means of settling international disputes.
In order to accomplish the aim of the preceding paragraph, land, sea, and air forces, as well as other war potential, will never be maintained. The right of belligerency of the state will not be recognized.

SOURCE: THE CONSTITUTION OF JAPAN

Are we going to respect the Japanese Constitution in PR?


People, its a game, Fictional War.. get it?

Rambo Hunter wrote:There are talks about getting rid of or amending Article 9 of their constitution, allowing them to take part in more than just defensive or peacekeeping operations; so I don't think it's too far-fetched to make them operate elsewhere.
If the US went to a major scale war in the Pacific theater, I'm sure they'd try to pull as many strings as possible to let them support the operations.

Here's Article 9

SOURCE: THE CONSTITUTION OF JAPAN

Remember Japan DID send troops in the ME a year or two ago if I remember correctly (A-stan was it?).

And yeah, this amendment is becoming more and more useless as we know that errors of the past are of the past and will stay of the past. Japan is not a military imperialist like it was before and during WWII, pretty much like Germany is not a Nazi, extreme nationalist country anymore like it was before and during WWII.
BTW, the actions of *Defense* forces in foreign lands by countries (notably the ADF) states the obvious : Defense means defending the country's national & international interests in the world, not just territorial integrity.

Also, wheter this article is in action or not is of no influence facing the consequences of a war between China and major NATO countries like the USA and GB. Japans has proved to play better relations with western countries than with China, even tho it does share certain interests for good relations with it reciprocately. It is obvious that Japan's relationship with an enemy of China would make China a direct threat and force it into a preventive war against its rather imposing neighbour. (or, Japan could ally with China, but I doubt Japan would do such)
I no doubt think US, using Japan and South Korea as jumppoints to attack China, would benefit from military support from both those countries and that they would benefit the same from NATO's help.

Adding the JGSDF to PR is a great idea, and although i'm too lazy to try and learn to model, texture and code, you have all my support and best of wishes.

torenico wrote:
People, its a game, Fictional War.. get it?

Sadly, not everyone gets it

yea come on guys! Fictional, so where's my fricken US vs. GB map?

Come on guys, think realistic.

We are getting a lot of awesome new factions to the game. Do you have any idea how big addition they are to the files? Of course I'd like to have every single possible faction on earth to PR, but I don't want to download 200GB stuff.

I don't see Japanese very important faction, so I'm gonna say no.

Is it hypothetically possible for Japanese troops to be deployed in an active combat role in the future? Yes, of course it is. Is it particularly likely? I don't think so. Scoff as you might at their silly 'constitution' and its 'laws', I don't think the Japanese government is going to simply ignore Article 9 because it's unlikely they're going to try and take over the world. So no, I don't think there should be any maps set outside of Japan.

It is true that Japanese troops are posted in the Middle East, but these troops, as has been mentioned, are not combat troops. And seriously, even if Japan was going to eliminate Article 9 from the constitution, do you think they're going to post much of a combat force in the Middle East? Why would they?

People keep comparing the JSDF to the ADF. But a name is just a name, and the Australian Defence Force is not constitutionally bound from entering foreign conflicts, so comparisons are not only irrelevant but pointless.

Would I like to see a Japanese force in PR? Hell yes! But I want to see a realistically-implemented one, not one conceived for the sake of convenience. I know it's a lot of work coming up with a whole new set of statics, but I think it'd add a lot of depth to the force anyway, and ultimately make it a lot more unique and enjoyable to play, and really, what do you have to lose?

Finally, as one last point, I'll just say that I would love to see a Japanese faction defend against a PLANM faction. That would just be awesome.

^ Well Sights has a point. PLANM invasion against Japan could be really nice.

126eRI: The reason I think JSDF is not important I haven't heard too much stuff Japan has been doing. But it's fiction anyway so..

TexLax wrote:yeah, but the israeli's don't go outside of they're country

Well what are they doing now ? fighting in the Gazza strip. There out of theie country now aren they lol

We have lots of Factions being devoloped at the moment, it takes a very long time, and concidering the developers don't get paid, i don't think they want to wear themselves out by develping a new faction, it takes a very long time and lots of effoert which they are allready putting into other factions. I personally would say no and stick with the current factions, and the russians.

Stryker Machine wrote:Well what are they doing now ? fighting in the Gazza strip. There out of theie country now aren they lol

That depends, they see it as their country too.. altough other people might disagree..

Sights wrote:It is true that Japanese troops are posted in the Middle East, but these troops, as has been mentioned, are not combat troops. And seriously, even if Japan was going to eliminate Article 9 from the constitution, do you think they're going to post much of a combat force in the Middle East? Why would they?

I never said that the JSDF was to fight in the Middle-East, I was merely using this as a fact to prove that it is possible to have the JSDF act internationaly. Now, what i'm poiting at, is that if China becomes an immediate neighbouring threat to Japan, it is VERY likely to see the JSDF do joint operations with its western allies on chinese soil and the islands near chinese and japanese borders.
So JSDF vs China on non japanese maps is a possibility that shouldn't be neglected for any mappers that wish to help in the making of that faction. Otherwise, some already made chinese maps would make fine place holders.
And you know, it takes time to model japanese architecture. If you look at the CQB mod maps like Rooftop or the square park one, you'll understand what I mean.

126eRI: The reason I think JSDF is not important I haven't heard too much stuff Japan has been doing. But it's fiction anyway so..

Neither do I hear any news about Norweigans and Swedish forces in the world other than A-stan. And most of the time, all I get is a small block of less than 200 words in the newspaper about them. Also, following your reasoning, that means that adding the Bundeswher is wrong because we never hear about them in the news about them being active on a global scale? But they are still in the making.. why? Well I could be a jerk and say it's teh leet weponz, but no. They're in the making because some want to make them, whatever the geopolitical contexts involved in PR and pitch them against the Russkies during a fictionnal war between them.
Now, adding the JSDF under the same motives is fine for me, they have their leet weponz too, don't they? And frankly, I'd find it funny to fight JSDF near Okita's temporary house in japan, hahaha! I'd tear it appart! Muahaha

MaxBoZ wrote:That depends, they see it as their country too.. altough other people might disagree..

Well, they were there before the country was declared theirs rather carelessly, so if the tiny bits of land of Gaza and cisjordania isn't theirs, they pretty much got invaded completely WWII style, wich is plain wrong.

Eggman said that the CQB mod wasn't interested in cooperating with BSS a couple years ago. So I wouldn't bet on getting any assets from them.

The hardest part of doing this faction would be the vehicles... Aside from a few air vehicles (Cobra, OH-6, F-16, UH-1, UH-60) everything would have to be made
Also, all new statics would have to be made if we decide to make maps in Japan.

But maps in Japan would provide some really interesting urban and mountain fighting with the OPFOR on the offensive for once.