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Re: Hypothetical Situation. What Rifle would you like to the Mec's G3 be replaced wit

Posted: 2008-08-08 18:37
by Brummy
.:iGi:.NinjaJedi wrote:AN-94 "Abakan" assault rifle maybe...

IMO is should be something manufactured by a Eastern country, Iranian/Ukrainian etc, or even a neutral country...

but if it aint broke, dont fix it!
Agreed. Whether this or the G3. I would prefer the G3.

Anyway the FAL is way too old for a strong faction as the MEC. The FAL is barely used in conventional armies of this level.

Re: Hypothetical Situation. What Rifle would you like to the Mec's G3 be replaced wit

Posted: 2008-08-08 18:48
by HughJass
no, no conventional force wouldn;t use the abakan...it is accurate, but way to complicated and would jam to easy in such conditions the mec fight in.

g3 is fine really, what would kick arse if the g3 was way stronger, harder to control, but mec got mp5 on the side :D

middle eastern storm troppers lol

Re: Hypothetical Situation. What Rifle would you like to the Mec's G3 be replaced wit

Posted: 2008-08-08 19:17
by gclark03
Again, the KH-2002 fits perfectly.

Re: Hypothetical Situation. What Rifle would you like to the Mec's G3 be replaced wit

Posted: 2008-08-09 09:04
by WildBill1337
[R-MOD]KP wrote:Bah, I was thinking about the AKS-47 and RPK. :razz: It still does not make sense to use NATO and non-NATO calibres, especially for standard kits like the support gunner.

And I still can't see why they seem like the kind of people who would buy from different suppliers when they could get it all from one. Is it the old "Middle Eastern armies use all sorts of ragtag kit" argument again?
Well, in that case, there would have to be some kind of backstory with the MEC striking a deal with H&K, because i would doubt that a German company would sell so much weaponry to an enemy of their allies. Or maybe the MEC just cleaned out all the H&K weaponry from the black market to keep their weapons more uniform. Meh, but I think that would cost a lot.

Re: Hypothetical Situation. What Rifle would you like to the Mec's G3 be replaced wit

Posted: 2008-08-09 09:18
by Phoenix.86
gclark03 wrote:Again, the KH-2002 fits perfectly.
No it doesn't. It's manufactured and used by Iran, a persian nation which is not a nation who would be in the MEC since the coalition is arab. Persians and Arabs hate each other with passion.

Re: Hypothetical Situation. What Rifle would you like to the Mec's G3 be replaced wit

Posted: 2008-08-09 10:02
by Expendable Grunt
WildBill1337 wrote:Well, in that case, there would have to be some kind of backstory with the MEC striking a deal with H&K, because i would doubt that a German company would sell so much weaponry to an enemy of their allies. Or maybe the MEC just cleaned out all the H&K weaponry from the black market to keep their weapons more uniform. Meh, but I think that would cost a lot.
H&K licensed them to manufacture their own. Iran uses the G3, licensed through H&K (the MEC is NOT Iran, however), and subsequently if Iran went to war with someone Germany was allied with, Iran would still have the means to produce the weapons, right?

Re: Hypothetical Situation. What Rifle would you like to the Mec's G3 be replaced wit

Posted: 2008-08-09 15:51
by icehollow
Expendable Grunt wrote:H&K licensed them to manufacture their own. Iran uses the G3, licensed through H&K (the MEC is NOT Iran, however), and subsequently if Iran went to war with someone Germany was allied with, Iran would still have the means to produce the weapons, right?
I'm not sure I understand, is there a point to what you're asking?

Iran isn't the only country that has license produced G3s. Plenty of countries that fit within the MEC frame have G3s, turkey for example. However turkey has now adopted license produced HK416s...

= MEC should have 416s if anything other than the G3.

Re: Hypothetical Situation. What Rifle would you like to the Mec's G3 be replaced wit

Posted: 2008-08-09 15:53
by IAJTHOMAS
He's saying that just because H&K are German and Germany is allied to the Coallition or whatever is called in PR, doesn't mean that the MEC would be unable to continue to manufacture G3s in their own countries.

Re: Hypothetical Situation. What Rifle would you like to the Mec's G3 be replaced wit

Posted: 2008-08-09 17:01
by oblivion618
Barrett M468

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Pretty much the same as an M4 but uses a 6.8 round instead of the 5.56 (used by the M4/M16/HK416) allowing it to penetrate most body armours.

Re: Hypothetical Situation. What Rifle would you like to the Mec's G3 be replaced wit

Posted: 2008-08-09 17:03
by GR34
oblivion618 wrote:Barrett M468

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Pretty much the same as an M4 but uses a 6.8 round instead of the 5.56 (used by the M4/M16/HK416) allowing it to penetrate most body armours.
^ this, If I had my own army Id use 6.8x48mm it kicks the shit out of 5.56

Re: Hypothetical Situation. What Rifle would you like to the Mec's G3 be replaced wit

Posted: 2008-08-09 17:13
by Nosferatu
AK-103

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Cause 7,62x39 is classic caliber for middle eastern armed forces.

or SIG SG-550:

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I think it looks pretty.

Re: Hypothetical Situation. What Rifle would you like to the Mec's G3 be replaced wit

Posted: 2008-08-10 03:03
by Expendable Grunt
I'm still a proponent of dropping out the iron sight rifleman for a CQC friendly weapon.

...P90 plees?

Re: Hypothetical Situation. What Rifle would you like to the Mec's G3 be replaced wit

Posted: 2008-08-10 03:17
by WildBill1337
GR34 wrote:^ this, If I had my own army Id use 6.8x48mm it kicks the shit out of 5.56
true that. that caliber is wayy better than the old 5.56 NATO, but I'd take a modular, ambidexterous, bullpup weapon, as those would be the most efficient.

(I stress ambidexterous because I'm a left-handed shooter)

Re: Hypothetical Situation. What Rifle would you like to the Mec's G3 be replaced wit

Posted: 2008-08-10 06:34
by Cheesygoodness
Lets look at it this way. The M.E.C is a coalition formed shortly after this hear. Basically 2010ish we'll say for this sake. They have there army formed up and trained for 2012ish (Two years sounds ok I suppose.)

Now this all greatly depends on the economic status. Based on what little information I can gather through both general deduction and the current setup in the game we have come to this.

The RIFLE!
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Currently the G3 is owned as a 'quick arm' solution to the M.E.C, Be it something like a current off-loading a ton of stored weapons or simply being able to produce it decently well themselves. The rifle is a good rifle don't get me wrong and the ease of it makes it perfect for a newly-formed army. Looking at it in that way, you could assume M.E.C have the money but prefer more to have there units trained and ready with a common yet rugged robust and simple weapon.

Now lets consider that the M.E.C being very battle-hardened from 10,000 battles all oddly in like the same 10-20 places.. Virtual Battlefields are odd like that. Annnyway. Looking at it this way. They feel its time to upgrade there arsenal. They've done several tests and get a whole kit of G3s crated up and hauled off to there second line troops. During all this fighting, mostly with US and British forces they've captured thousands of pounds of ammo from supply routes, seen how the 5.56mm preformed and how deadly the US and British were with there rifles. Where do we go from there? The world is changing. They notice that even Russia has shifted from the 7.62mm and decide like all good modern natures to jump off the ol' bullet and snap up a new one.

So our M.E.C guys go sniffing about for a new rifle. They are on the brink of what seems like a constant war. They will basically only have time to drop these rifles in there soldiers hands and hope for the best. The G3 never wronged them and they go over to there buddies in H&K. A taped conversation to follow.

MEC guy: Hey uh.. We need a new rifle... Some people are complaining that we aren't nifty. Its gotta have sight rails and stuff... And um... Its gotta look fancy.
H&K guy: Wait huh? Ah.. Lemme uh.. Look into it..
*H&K guy digs into a handy cabinet marked 'failed projects, try to sell them.' The H&K guy passes it across.*
MEC guy: This looks like our old rifle.
H&K guy: Ya exactly! Its easier for your guys.....

*The rest of this tape is boring and we'll stop now.*

So the weapon the MEC guy takes back along with a ****-ton of machines to build them is the H&K G41. It never really found any customers but the high-cost and quality of the weapon doesn't really bother the MEC all that much. Firing the new 5.56mm NATO they get a nice package deal and to ease the transition into the new rifle the full auto ammo waster from the G3 was removed and the G41 is fitted with the same 3 round burst as the US rifles.
Modern Firearms - Assault Rifles - HK G41
HKPRO:  The G41 Automatic Rifle

**** we need a new LMG... Wait a second SVD!? We need to upgrade that bad.....
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So MEC realizes the ammo change had a bigger effect then it thought it would. They realize that they are gonna have to shift a lot of there equipment to make this work right and proper-like. So they get to work researching it.

First thing they notice is quite simple, Why are we using this SVD?! This dated old rifle when we could go back to our lovely G-3 line and pick up a nice MSG-90 hmmm? That sounds better ya someone write this down so we can send our order to them!!!
Modern Firearms - Heckler-Koch HK MSG-90 sniper rifle

So we got that sorted out. Hrm. Oh yes those big shootie loud guns. That machine gun. Lets see here... Don't we already own this one? Oh HK23E. My fault I'm not that good with numbers. So it uses the same bullet you say? Alright sounds good to me place the order.

Modern Firearms - HK 11, HK 21, HK 13, HK 23 machine gun

Hey this just solved our spec-ops rifle problem. We are all shooting the right ammo now. Well lets stay with this. What else do we need? What our crewmen are complaining? What does this fellow want? "Expendable Grunt", "Bob Marley" Who the hell? What do they want.

Modern Firearms - FN P90 personal defense weapon / submachine gun

Tell them we'll think about it.
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Yes I am aware thats EXTREMELY long so lets get a summary

Rifle: H&K G41
LMG: HK23E
DMR: MSG-90
Crewman kit: P90. (That one is a tad well jokish.)


I am aware I put way to much effort into that but I was in a writing mood.

Re: Hypothetical Situation. What Rifle would you like to the Mec's G3 be replaced wit

Posted: 2008-08-10 07:45
by Maxfragg
Expendable Grunt wrote:I'm still a proponent of dropping out the iron sight rifleman for a CQC friendly weapon.

...P90 plees?
and i still think, that the time of SMGs in regular Military forces is over, so if anything should be added, than a HK33 but only for the rifleman unscoped

Re: Hypothetical Situation. What Rifle would you like to the Mec's G3 be replaced wit

Posted: 2008-08-10 13:30
by Expendable Grunt
Cheesygoodness wrote:Wall of text
No, we're sticking with the G3 as the main arm of the MEC. Hell, they *just* added a G3 UGL and a G3 marksman variant.
Maxfragg wrote:and i still think, that the time of SMGs in regular Military forces is over, so if anything should be added, than a HK33 but only for the rifleman unscoped
It's not an SMG, it's a PDW :p

Re: Hypothetical Situation. What Rifle would you like to the Mec's G3 be replaced wit

Posted: 2008-08-10 14:01
by Bob_Marley
Expendable Grunt wrote:I'm still a proponent of dropping out the iron sight rifleman for a CQC friendly weapon.

...P90 plees?
Well, now the Dutch team seem to be going for the HK416 for thier SF class rather than the P90, its time to get the bandwagon out of storage.

P90 For MEC!

Re: Hypothetical Situation. What Rifle would you like to the Mec's G3 be replaced wit

Posted: 2008-08-10 14:01
by Maxfragg
aren't PDWs a sub cathegory of SMGs ?

Re: Hypothetical Situation. What Rifle would you like to the Mec's G3 be replaced wit

Posted: 2008-08-10 17:41
by Phoenix.86
Maxfragg wrote:aren't PDWs a sub cathegory of SMGs ?
Well yes and no. There are quite some smg's classified as pdw's (mp5k, mp7, p90...) but for example the mp7 can penetrate body armour up to around 150 metres, which no regular smg can. In the end pdw's are ******** of smg's and carbines.

Re: Hypothetical Situation. What Rifle would you like to the Mec's G3 be replaced wit

Posted: 2008-08-10 17:42
by EOD_Security-2252
I think G3 is fine, but if you think they need a new gun I say get something from the region:
Iran replaced their G3s with this weapon