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Insurgents can be fun, I just pefer playing the British because...well i'm British.

Had an awesome time as Insurgents once. 20 of us took up position by the side of the road of the Airport enterence, started lobbing Molokovs all over so it looked like an inferno and we peppered vehicals with fire as they tried to leave.

Was greaty fun.

sunshine1991 wrote:The AK-47 is a 100 meter battle rifle
It was designed to be made cheap
made fast
use inexpensive ammo
be drug through the mud, sand, and ice
and still be able to fire

After about 75 meters you could get a "Wild" shot

I use an sks (kinda like an AK) for hog hunting sometimes and I will not try a 75 meter shot with it.

The AK-47 is a close to mid quarter rifle

and dont forget AK-47 Much older then M-16

1) 75m? i have 2 shot bursts miss at 5 feet away.

2) age of the gun doesnt matter, the m16 is a really old gun too.

alot of people claim missing at 5m, after having a little go on a empty server and being able to full auto effectively at like 20m and my own experience of using an AK alot as i love playing INS id love to see a video of some 1 missing at 5m, as i dont see how its possible.

viper759 wrote:1) 75m? i have 2 shot bursts miss at 5 feet away.

2) age of the gun doesnt matter, the m16 is a really old gun too.

1)well if u BigMac at real life not my problem
2) yes it is ak-47 made in 1947 and M-16 somewhen in vietnam war


Edit: User was warned for Language/attitude.

What would really make insurgents more awesome is if they had more complex buildings to hide their caches in. This would make it harder for the opposition to destroy the cache as it isn't in the open or in a single room hut. Of course not every cache would be in a complex building but a few per map would be nice.

Would be nice if every fart didn't set them on fire and when they blow up, there should be something like a 20-25m blast radius, after all it is an ammo cache full of explosive stuff. Would discourage all the tard rushers shooting them with rifles from 3m away.

Waaah_Wah wrote:
Also my low FPS on most ins maps makes it hard to quickly aim after each shot. 20FPS kinda messes stuff up. And the lagspikes i get on Ramiel and Korengal simply kill my PC, and often me aswell.

I actually have a suggestion for this Waaah_wah. I have a pretty beastly PC, 8500GT navida card, Quad Core processor, 3GB RAM and on Ramiel I lagged due to the sheer # of objects and on Korengal I'd lag when walking through the tall grass fields.

The reason was because I had my lighting on High, so my computer was trying to render shadows on every little thing, including the long grass. I turned it down to Medium and *fingersnap* it stopped chugging.

hiberNative wrote:sounds like you and Cheesygoodness have been watching the YouTube - AK 47 vs M16 picatinny propaganda comparison that i'm not even gonna waste time picking apart
it's the older version that has that "down-going" stock (and the akms which fails). the akm has a stock that follows the barrel.

also, muzzle brakes make a huge difference:

It goes from more then that. I unfortunately don't own a fully auto AK-47 I own the civilian model of the weapon so its single shot only however my uncle did manage to snip up and bring home an AK-74 from the Gulf War. I can't comment on the flex of the barrel as well I don't have a high speed camera to video tape it. I can however comment on the way the recoil feels. Unfortunately again I fire the AK-47 from the unnatural left handed position so the weapon fires away from my shoulder with extra-force. From firing an AR15 and a Mini-14 (Civilian model M14.) I can tell you the AK-47 does shift to the right more so then any other rifle I've ever fired. My AK-47 doesn't have a muzzle brake so I can assume that will help but it can also foul rather easy while carrying.

As I've said and believe whole heartedly. KISSing something is the best bet to a weapon. I prefer revolvers to autoloaders which I admit as well it is easier for me to shot a revolver then buy a left-handed autoloader. The AK-74 I have shot that on full auto and can compare it to the AR15 with I believe a tad more accuracy. The weapon has a similar problem with the AK-47. Its not as pronounce as it does have the muzzle break but you can tell when the trigger is pulled that the weapon has a sideways pull to it. A significant amount when compared to the AR-15. Now as I said in my previous post it comes down to training and familiarity, All of those if fired for a while could assumingly be compensated for, but I can see why a person un-used to firing an assault rifle would have a near impossible time setting it to full auto and hitting the broadside of a barn.


On the comment of the age of the gun not mattering. The difference is rather simple. The AK-47 is a dated weapon. The M16 is also a dated weapon however people are comparing newer M16s like the M16A4 to the original AK-47. The original AR-15 has a lot of problems of its own and those have been worked out. The AK-47 has had its problems also worked out the difference is instead of adding an A1-A2-A3-A4 to the ending they change the numbers on the end. AK-47, AK-74, AK-101, AK-107.

Quality control on Soviet era weapons wasn't very good. My video was the one of a soldier trying to load his grenade launcher only the grenades didn't fit down the barrel. He then starts to hammer on the grenade with his hand to force it down and his adviser runs over to him and, although in Russian, probably said something like "What the hell are you doing?!"

As far as AKs are concerned, it's generally agreed that they are not as accurate as the M16 on average. A lot of that has to do with not just the weapon design but the way the sights are designed.

Caboosehatesbabies wrote:I actually have a suggestion for this Waaah_wah. I have a pretty beastly PC, 8500GT navida card, Quad Core processor, 3GB RAM and on Ramiel I lagged due to the sheer # of objects and on Korengal I'd lag when walking through the tall grass fields.

The reason was because I had my lighting on High, so my computer was trying to render shadows on every little thing, including the long grass. I turned it down to Medium and *fingersnap* it stopped chugging.

Thanks ill try that

Cheesygoodness wrote: The AK-47 has had its problems also worked out the difference is instead of adding an A1-A2-A3-A4 to the ending they change the numbers on the end. AK-47, AK-74, AK-101, AK-107.

Well thats kinda different. M16's have never changed caliber (AFAIK), but AK74 uses a smaller caliber than the AK47.

sunshine1991 wrote:this is what i talking about !
when i play insurent mod ( cell leader dont care about heal mates )and no kit have a field to reload on cashe
maybe you people lucky play in CLAN squads but all pablick players no teamplay on INS side.
people who have medic kit ( american kit ) no heal others people anlees you 2 feet from them ( and maps are HUGE ).
most of time i play as ins . people not TEAMPLAY AT ALL squad leader take some RPG kit or if u lucky he trow u a field but u still will bleed .

and i dont belive that field heal 20%. becouse i see lot of times ( me and lot of people ) get hit trow 2-3 field and still BLEEDING !!!! (WTF)

Then its not the mod that is the problem, but the players.
You complain that there is no teamwork, and that the cell leaders dont help.
Why dont you step up, and make your own sqd? Create that leadership that you say is missing.

as I said before: The commander is the biggest problem: He can't do anything so nobody plays him. And compared to real insurgents you can't use the sewers, you can't build tunnels, you cant build improvised defenses and stuff like this and it makes it even harder.

At the same time America has no unmanned recon unit, can't see with satelite, also doesn't have a commander (even less times because he needs to sit in the box).

Also nobody wants to play collaborator.
Seriously, the phone is useless as there's never a commander and if you die you get like 90-250 sec respawn time and nobody EVER tries to handcuff you. They just shoot you down anyway.
Shooting down more than 3 collaborators should get you kicked to balance out the huge respawn.

Its not just insurgents though, people teamstack against the MEC and Chinese, which indicates that some of these switchers at least don't give a flying **** about gameplay and just wanna play at being the 'good guys'

The other night someone TK'd a truck full of MEC on Ejod Desert and left the server because he couldn't switch to the US Army side...

I think this thread has shown an almost 50/50 split (not that I've added it up!). I for one love playing insurgent, it's annoying sometimes to not be able to heal, to not be able to engage at longer ranges and when a cache appears on the other side of the map...BUT is there any better feeling in this game than keeping you head down whilst a US squad moves past and then shooting them in the back, or watching them move into your IED kill zone, it's just fun, fun, fun.

I know the US have better kit, but I think that is what makes it so rewarding when you succeed as insurgent. The odds are against you in many situations but you can even those up by choosing your battles and even if you do die it doesn't matter...win/win.

ClaudioPolez wrote:I think this thread has shown an almost 50/50 split (

Good thing there is other gameplay modes

[R-DEV]CodeRedFox wrote:Good thing there is other gameplay modes

...to come ?

...I mean good thing insurgency isnt the only mode

I love playing as insurgents. Don't really know why so many people apparently hate it. But if I can find anything besides an AK-47, then I'm set. For whatever reason I can't hit anything from any range with that "thing."