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Kill001 wrote:arm the chinook for some epic Mi-8 VS Chinook jousting






lol, in all serious respects; I would advise arming COWs IF the other side has an armed COW as well; just to keep things balanced because I tend to enjoy destroying/scaring/shooting unsuspecting chinooks on Yamalia and Silent Eagle because they are unarmed, and based on gut feeling, I feel that the chinooks are somewhat sitting ducks and are underpowered

Well, they are faster, and have more crates. The Mi-8 is equipped with two sidemounted .50 Caliber Kords. I think a ramp mounted 7.62 M240 would equal it out.

Aren't the door gunners supposed to be part of the heli crew? Maybe in a similar way that the .50 cal is on a tank? That does throw up having the gunner positions becoming restricted in the same way that tank positions are.

Kill001 wrote:yeah, maybe a 7.62 but afaik ramp mounted weapons are impossible atm

mebbe replace the kord with a weaker gun? (altho I'd be against this because SURPRISE BUTTSECKS-ing chinooks are fun )

I'm guessing you mean about how the ramp closes, we could always remove the ability for it to do that with a few changes to code.

I firmly believe that adding M240's as door guns to the Chinook would not cause much of a gameplay disruption. Fifty Cals, yes, they are often used inappropriately but I think the relative strength of M240s in comparison wouldn't produce the same results. I'd say people are less prone to use the M240s in the attack role simply because they're a weaker offensive weapon.

dtacs wrote:They are so impractical anyway (.50's on the MEC/Chinese chopper are useless) that it wouldn't encourage attack platforms. The BH isn't used as one atm is it?

I see the Blackhawk used pretty often as a minigun platform on Ramiel.

True, but wouldn't you think that shooting off whatever is chasing you from behind would be more useful than shooting off the side?

Nope, not really. To be honest, when flying helicopters its pretty rare to have a threat from behind. A threat that can be dealt with by a machine gun that is. The only plausible threat may be an enemy Eurocopter or Littlebird etc but that is rare. Most of the time that engagement is going to come down to maneuvering rather than firepower. Side guns are useful in spotting threats. The gunners see the enemy on either side and report to the pilot. They're also useful in landings for clearing threats on the ground.

yeah, maybe a 7.62 but afaik ramp mounted weapons are impossible atm

it would require teh ramp to be down all the time, thats all I think, I wonder if the ctrl crouch gunner command can be used to close the ramp....

[R-CON]Rudd wrote:it would require teh ramp to be down all the time, thats all I think, I wonder if the ctrl crouch gunner command can be used to close the ramp....

I thought the ramp already was down all the time.

Looy wrote:I thought the ramp already was down all the time.

Once the Chinook goes up above a certain height (400m?) the door closes.

I think its standard practice for choppers in Afghanistan and Iraq to have their doors down all the time for the gunners though.

Actually I was a door gunner last night on ramiel. We left the other gun free so we still ferry 6 ppl. we went down 2 times, once due to pilots mistake in landing, but we made it safely on foot to the main from the norther part of city. I was a rifleman though... Secondly i was suppresing a techie close to extraction zone and pilot stopped for a while (yes, he shouldnt do this), and a bombcar blew us from below. We have lost 2 choppers and we died once at whole round. My ingame experience.
1 thing i noticed is that the minigun seems to overheat very quickly, but that is maybe only because im too inacurate with it .
I support that idea with two pilot kits, one jet and one heli.
So the only thing that dont allow gun on chinook is missing platform? You know, heh?
1 more idea: What about taking 1 door gun away from BH and empowering the other and making it pilot kit only?
Is this even used IRL?

Chinook should have a gun on both sides and at the back like in Arma 2 Operation Arrowhead.

lucky.BOY wrote:Actually I was a door gunner last night on ramiel. We left the other gun free so we still ferry 6 ppl. we went down 2 times, once due to pilots mistake in landing, but we made it safely on foot to the main from the norther part of city. I was a rifleman though... Secondly i was suppresing a techie close to extraction zone and pilot stopped for a while (yes, he shouldnt do this), and a bombcar blew us from below. We have lost 2 choppers and we died once at whole round. My ingame experience.
1 thing i noticed is that the minigun seems to overheat very quickly, but that is maybe only because im too inacurate with it .
I support that idea with two pilot kits, one jet and one heli.
So the only thing that dont allow gun on chinook is missing platform? You know, heh?
1 more idea: What about taking 1 door gun away from BH and empowering the other and making it pilot kit only?
Is this even used IRL?

I mean, I've never seen a Blackhawk with one of its doorgun's removed, could be a possibility, but I for one, have always praised for symmetry, If one sides got it, the other should. I'd rather see the guns removed altogether on the Blackhawk.

FuzzySquirrel wrote:Armed Trans

Chinese Z-10
Mec Mi17
US UH60

Unarmed

GB MH101 Merlin
US/CAD/GB Ch47D chinook
GB Lynx
USMC UH1N Huey

Quiet the opposite Drunk, Most are unarmed, All of which are Blufor.
Also a M240 on the Rear Ramp isnt plausable since it closes, but adding doors with 240s or the Rare M134s would be nice

that's if it was floor mounted, if it was roof mounted it would be perfectly usable, or if it was floor mounted just behind the door hinges. a C6 GPMG would be fine,

but on the other hand, why isn't there a CH-146 Griffon Helicopter on the Canadian maps with door mounted M134's?
*off topic-we need more Canadians maps! anyone agree?- off topic*

N-N-N-N-N-NECRO

On topic, Chinooks definitely need a door/ramp gun and the M240 sounds about right for the job.

Haji with a Handgun wrote:N-N-N-N-N-NECRO

On topic, Chinooks definitely need a door/ramp gun and the M240 sounds about right for the job.

actually i've seen a few pics where chinooks have guns right on the end of the ramp and are flying ram open, i don't even see why the ramp closes on chinooks in PR, i mean doors don't close during flight on hueys or blackhawks.

I've seen a few pics showing Russians with Eo-Tech on their AKs, can I haz in PR ?

Stop with your questions "OMG why this thing isn't in PR, it's Canuck stuff, it must be in, we are so 1337".

If something isn't in the mod, it's either because the addition of this thing isn't relevant or the model hasn't been done yet. Simple.

3D artists work on what they want, and on what they are asked to do (with the freedom of refusing if they don't want).

[R-DEV]Hauteclocque wrote:I've seen a few pics showing Russians with Eo-Tech on their AKs, can I haz in PR ?

Stop with your questions "OMG why this thing isn't in PR, it's Canuck stuff, it must be in, we are so 1337".

If something isn't in the mod, it's either because the addition of this thing isn't relevant or the model hasn't been done yet. Simple.

3D artists work on what they want, and on what they are asked to do (with the freedom of refusing if they don't want).

you make it sound like the planning system is pefect. which i and you know it isnt. dont you think its good that people are reminding developers not to forget certain components? i do. its annoying sometimes, but other times its vital. and eotec on anything is epic.

you make it sound like the planning system is pefect

I thought he described the opposite tbh...what he described is how any non-profit mod with unpaid staff works.

[R-DEV]Hauteclocque wrote:I've seen a few pics showing Russians with Eo-Tech on their AKs, can I haz in PR ?

Stop with your questions "OMG why this thing isn't in PR, it's Canuck stuff, it must be in, we are so 1337".

If something isn't in the mod, it's either because the addition of this thing isn't relevant or the model hasn't been done yet. Simple.

3D artists work on what they want, and on what they are asked to do (with the freedom of refusing if they don't want).

yes i realize that all this stuff happens in your free time because you aren't getting paid to do project reality,
i was more aiming my previous post towards people who were saying that i wasn't possible because of the closing door on the back.

If there's mounts for the Lynx and, one would assume, the Huey would putting a .50 on there suffice? I don't know about the British but I've never seen a USMC Huey armed with anything less than an M2 or the GAU-21. I know for a fact our armory for the helo's had nothing but .50s for the things, though that would have been in support of Ch-53s, 46s, and UH-1s.

Though I suppose that would mean a modeler would need to slap a aerial sight on the current m2.

They keep the doors open so the crew members can look for missile launches and AA guns and stuff like that. They also sit on the sides so they can see where the rotors are in relation to obstacles and relay all of this to the pilots.