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We have always had people with temper in our clan, maybe more than other clans. I personally attribute this to the old age of most of our admins. Consider that most of the people being talked about here are on the other side of 45 years, they don't have the patience to deal with what they perceive as childish attitudes. I myself have very low tolerance for those attitudes, which is what drew me to HOG in the first place and which is why I felt that, among the servers I had played on and clans I had encountered, they felt like home. I knew that they wouldn't tolerate people messing about.

However, what most of the HOG guys lack in patience for this behaviour, they more than make up for in being straight: if you misbehaved, fessed up to your crimes and show promise of improvement, you will be unbanned as fast as you were banned and it won't come up again. It's all part of a no-bullshit attitude; no need to drag these things further than necessary, no need to add drama or discuss things at length without any solution in sight.

On to practical matters: a very valid point has been raised by Keios and Nate. No need to complicate matters by adding insulting reasons or anything of that kind. Super__6__5 (who has been filling in for me and is about ready to fully take over the PR side of HOG) and me will formalize the warn, kick and ban reasons and enforce them more strictly than before. Super has already started this process with our guest admins about 2 months ago and we will continue this inside our own clan to avoid situations like this in the future.

@Brainlaag: Thank you very much for the kind words. I hope you will extend the same attitude towards __Super_6__5__ when I step down, I'm certain he'll do an even better job than I have.

KEIOS wrote:Since i've got kicked and then banned from your servers by York, because one guy in my squad was accused of baserape, i wouldn't say it was in the heat of the moment.

Perfect example of why the patience level of myself and other admins has been drained. Total shredding of what really happened to suit the picture you want to paint, not the reality. This is what brez is talking about when it comes to "being straight" about things. I have no inclination to deceive about what I do or why I did something. Should I have worded the warning better above? Yep. And I'll probably make mistakes going forward as well dealing with the likes of you. Like brez said, I'm far too old to give a **** enough to lie about it. You, on the other hand have zero credibility in our eyes because you twist the truth about what happened. Did I kick you? Then ban you? You bet. You don't like what happened, so you twist the facts and leave other facts out conveniently to suit your theme. Like a lot of players that come to our forums to appeal their bans and say "I got banned for nothing". Yep, that's us, we draw player's names out of a hat that we are going to ban. The fewer players like you we have to deal with, the better. Good riddance. I'm done.

I got banned lastnight. This is still officially the wackest server of them all, and your breath fucking stinks.

Robbi wrote:I got banned lastnight. This is still officially the wackest server of them all, and your breath fucking stinks.

Ban appeals are for our forums. Complaints about the freshness of our breath will be forwarded to our dental care professionals. Thank you for your input.

[quote=""'[R-MOD"]IINoddyII;1966095']OK.

Obviously I wasn't clear enough - my bad

The Project Reality forums are not to be used as a platform for users to rant/debate being kicked or banned from game servers.

Admins, your only response should be a link to your website and a message to take it there. Anything beyond that will be subject to the same rules as players.

Setting expectations:

Our current system is this:
1) Warning <---- this is where we are at
2) Infraction
3) Perma-ban[/quote]

I't getting pretty frustrating having to continually come back into this thread and remind people of the expectations - both admins and players.

Please keep feedback constructive - provide examples of good or bad experiences.
Don't discuss specific bans. Nate's example is a perfect example on how to give constructive feedback about his opinion of admin experience on the server.

[quote="Bluedrake42""]You're not the only one who feels this way Keios.

Edit: I will also point out that this is an open forum, and players may post here whatever they want.[/quote]


That''s not true. This is a privately owned forum and you will comply with the rules set out by the owners of these forums.

PR Community

=HOG= is and has been about fair play in its game servers for as long as I've known them, I am apart of them and know from the inside for this to be true. I know this to be true as i have facts available to state that fact.

Recently I have been moved up to a head admin position in HOG with Brez and Haley and at first was hesitant because I wasn't sure what I would be able to do to make some changes.

One of my pet peeves is abusive people. I have had access to logs, ban lists etc even before I was made a head admin and I can tell you that I've seen some abusive people on both the general populace and our admins.

From this point forward this will stop. We as head admins will not tolerate abuse from anyone, this includes the public players, guest admins, HOG admins and even us as head admins.

I feel that HOG fields one of the finest servers in PR only to have its reputation tarnished by some rotten people.

Monday afternoon of this week I sent out pm's to our guest admins and a forum post to our HOG admins warning them that we have a zero tolerance for abusive behavior.

We will be scanning our log files for inappropriate behavior in accordance with the memo sent out. If we find a situation that was abusive we will issue a warning to that admin. If a second situation or valid complaint is found then that person will lose admins rights to our servers, there are no exceptions.
Reinstatement of those rights is solely up to the head admins.

Our action on this matter is not 100 percent due to the recent community upheaval. We do listen to the community and value its opinions greatly but action can sometimes be slow.
However, recent events, if you will, are the straw that broke the camels back.

Do not mistake our intentions, this does NOT mean we are going to be lax on our rules, our rules are there to make the game fair and balanced and irrational, abusive and rule breaking players will continue to be dealt with in accordance with our rules, swiftly and without unnecessary complications.

Thank you,
The =HOG= Admin Team

Thank you

__Super_6__5__ wrote:oh, and his posts on NEW's feedback are near identical as this one on ours.

It's called freedom of speech. You Americans should know that, I'm pretty new to this stuff since I'm from a country with a dictator.

Since there is a feedback section, I'll make use of it, instead of bowing down to some people with bad manners.
You'll call me arrogant, but the admins and other people are not different.
My feedback was constructive and I think quite rational. Admins dun goof'd, well.. let them pay for it, amirite?

"How do I double standard?", I can't say this enough.

This drew my attention.
Not that I'm a big fan

I like the way this is going.

Careless, I'm just saying that HOG never forced anyone to pay for an unban, this matter has been sorted out "long" ago: https://www.realitymod.com/forum/f10-pr ... erver.html. Why Bluedrake continued to ramble on this for like 5 minutes when it's unrelated to HOG is anyone's guess, after seeing the continued gathering of pitchforks(comments) in BD's video section it seems that all of a sudden everybody is jumping on the fakhog-bandwagon with this being something that HOG did in the past.

Since I haven't been on their server for a while I can't comment on the other 5 minutes when Bluedrake mentioned abuse and the like, at least not recently, but I cannot recall any particular admin abuse when I did play on their server so yeah, I personally am skeptic.

Frontliner wrote:Careless, I'm just saying that HOG never forced anyone to pay for an unban, this matter has been sorted out "long" ago: https://www.realitymod.com/forum/f10-pr ... erver.html. Why Bluedrake continued to ramble on this for like 5 minutes when it's unrelated to HOG is anyone's guess, after seeing the continued gathering of pitchforks(comments) in BD's video section it seems that all of a sudden everybody is jumping on the fakhog-bandwagon with this being something that HOG did in the past.

Since I haven't been on their server for a while I can't comment on the other 5 minutes when Bluedrake mentioned abuse and the like, at least not recently, but I cannot recall any particular admin abuse when I did play on their server so yeah, I personally am skeptic.

It's not about bandwagon, however Bluedrakes video is a catalyst.
It's about that even though they did some bad things in the past, they still have the guts to do it again.

My problems lies not in problems with HOG admins on a personal level. There's quote a lot of abuse and I find it hypocrite and immature (or atleast not as mature as they prescribe themself, +25 years #yolo) that things like this still happen in a small community (I pruposely removed "gaming" from gaming community because I find PR somewhat community on a much bigger level).

I'll do everything to provide even more proof for it, since Battlerecorder and Shadowplay is available.

And I won't stop just because some of you have different opinions.
Don't get me wrong, I have nothing against you.

dat freedom o' speech tho'

Haters gonna hate, anyone? I haven't watched that vid, or any of his vids for that matter and I don't intend to. Apparently he has our server and the (now defunct) =]H[ HARDCORE server confused, which is, you know, "nuff said".

Moving on.

I read your post, Careless, I don't see any feedback in there. If that was just a reply to Super's post, that's fine. Otherwise, I may have missed the point of your last post and that means I can't properly react to it. Please re-state it if I missed something.

@Frontliner: while every clan and server has its good and bad days and good and bad admins, we have never had such widespread admin abuse that he is claiming. What you tend to see among the haters is that 99% of them have been banned for behaving like absolute asshats, but because of their false sense of entitlement and them not being used to being corrected for their behaviour, they tend to blame us. It's an understandable reaction, but it is getting quite tiresome to deal with it. You yourself said you have never witnessed it and I am 100% certain that if I were to search our admin logs for your name, you won't be in it. Thanks for that.


It's simple, really: behave like an adult or we'll remove you from the server.

Luckily, judging by the amount of players our server attracts on a daily basis, it seems it's only a select minority of players who fail to live by the simple credo I listed above.

Keep feedback coming if you have it, good or bad. Thanks all! And a big thank you for every player that has played on our server and has never been in contact with our admins. It's for you guys that we are still running our servers. <3

Edit: I only just now say your last post, Careless. Could you provide us with date, time and name of the people abusing their admin rights?

While i have had issues in the past on HOG, even a quick visit to their Vent was able to sort it out. I get what Brez is saying, because honestly half the people i see in this community act like 10 year olds who have just had their favorite toy taken away.

I feel like if half of the people that have had issues dealt with it in a civilized manner instead of instantly grabbing the pitchforks not only would YOU have a better time, if there was actual abuse it can be dealt with properly instead of page after page of pointing fingers and moaning. Have you ever thought of joining their team speak to speak to people directly?

If OD-S can seem to play on HOG with no problems, why can't you?

@ Brezman and all other HOG admins,

You guys have much respect from me,
Receiving this shit for weeks, and still be able to answer all them..

You guys have this server running from 2008 - 2009 ?
and still be able to have it full every day, so why even matter on these few guys?
They will / and shall not stop complaining.
I would not even respond to them here, only inviting them to join Teamspeak / Ventrillo,
And I bet that only 1/5 players that complained will join your channel to talk about the situation.

Greets,

Dogmaster

thanks dogmaster, your absolutely correct. However we do see and acknowledge the problem with abuse from some admins. We, as you saw in the post, are going to change that, abuse from anyone is no longer tolerated.
just think, after awhile of removing trouble makers HOG will be filled with nothing but awesome players!

stay tuned and thanks to ALL those that support us!!!

Great rounds lately, can't say its easy being the only guest admin on when it's 99 other people there but if I'm still able to enjoy the game without having to kick/ban anyone every 2 minutes, i feel like the HOG admins have done a good job getting rid of most the bad apples

ps: Sorry to the guys who have been in the server when I'm the only admin on, It's not easy to handle everything from reports to mapvote at the same time when 99 people are in the server, but a few more days and it's all good

And thanks to the HOG leaders for giving me the chance to help out with the server!

I WISH THIS SERVER WAS MY GIRLFRIEND BECAUSE IT GOES DOWN 10 TIMES A DAY

Noddy Edit:

Since warnings are falling on deaf ears.. let's try this.

^^^^ User was infracted for multiple failures to comply with the forum rules regarding providing feedback...

dogmaster wrote: I would not even respond to them here, only inviting them to join Teamspeak / Ventrillo,
And I bet that only 1/5 players that complained will join your channel to talk about the situation.

Just going to point out, only 1/5 of HOG's admins will respond to you if you join their Teamspeak.

Not that I'm complaining or anything. Just making that observation.

I don't mean to insult as much as criticize that the number and complexity of rules makes this server less appealing to play on than some of the others. The other servers also have a lot of rules, but they're easier to manage.

Whenever I join the HOG server, it feels like I'm walking on eggshells trying to avoid breaking one rule or another when I create a squad. I'm always asking someone if I am breaking or might break a rule by doing something, but nobody seems to know.

I create squads based on what assets are available, both in the main and named squads. If I see that some asset is available, and needed on the battlefield, I will attempt to claim it, only to do it "wrong" and then some other guy creates a squad "properly" and starts berating me about stealing assets. This goes beyond "wheeled " vs "tracked", as I didn't even know that was a rule now. I just can't keep up.

I understand you guys are doing the best you can with what you've got, and I commend you on that. However, for me personally, I will often vacillate between joining the HOG server or reading a book if all other servers are full.

I wish you luck in your continued success, and hope that time may ease the burden having to manage so many rules.

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Tank
Cas
Wheeled apc
Tracked apc

It really is that simple