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Why do servers restart randomly?

Posted: 2011-08-29 18:54
by Menigmand
Often when I finally find a good server, a great squad, heroic defence, bullets flying, great teamwork, everybody's in the zone... bam, the server reboots for some reason.

I always wondered if it's because the server actually crashes, or because some admins decide it's time for a reboot?

Re: Why do servers restart randomly?

Posted: 2011-08-29 19:01
by Redamare
cuz you touch your self at night . . . . .

Servers restart for many reasons ' bugs, by mistake, because the server is dying and they need to switch to a smaller map to seed. or just because the admin chooses too . ..

Re: Why do servers restart randomly?

Posted: 2011-08-29 19:06
by Menigmand
Redamare wrote:
Servers restart for many reasons ' bugs, by mistake, because the server is dying and they need to switch to a smaller map to seed. or just because the admin chooses too . ..
Well I hope it was by mistake, since the recent round was great fun and they switched to Asad Khal Skirmish which is, as of now, still empty of players, 30 minutes after it happened..

Re: Why do servers restart randomly?

Posted: 2011-08-29 19:06
by BlazeDBe3
Its not rebooting, its Crashing.

Many servers are doing it in .973
Yet the Devs said it was fixed, was not. .973 crashes servers far more than .966 did.

Re: Why do servers restart randomly?

Posted: 2011-08-29 19:51
by XRsyst
I played a bunch over the weekend, saw more crashes in 9.73 than I used to in 9.57

Re: Why do servers restart randomly?

Posted: 2011-08-29 21:05
by BloodyDeed
These are crashes.
I can promise you it never happens on New Era Warfare that some admin just randomly decided to restart the server or change the map midround.

Re: Why do servers restart randomly?

Posted: 2011-08-29 21:13
by Nixy23
Indeed, most likely crashes.

Quite a few servers have scripts installed, so that as soon as a crash is detected the server reloads automatically. So it merely looks like a random reboot, but is in effect a crash + server responding to it.

Re: Why do servers restart randomly?

Posted: 2011-08-29 21:58
by Menigmand
Alright, that's what I thought too. Thanks for the replies, too bad with the crashings.

Re: Why do servers restart randomly?

Posted: 2011-08-29 23:06
by splatters
Even as awesome as the mod is, it's also more unstable than the vanilla game, so the servers crash, some more often than others. Very rarely do server admins reboot a server intentionally when it's populated, unless there is a SQ bug or something like that.

Re: Why do servers restart randomly?

Posted: 2011-08-30 09:31
by Dev1200
Take a Ford Pinto.

Now put 6 turbochargers on it.


This is why PR crashes :)

Re: Why do servers restart randomly?

Posted: 2011-08-30 10:18
by Menigmand
Dev1200 wrote:Take a Ford Pinto.

Now put 6 turbochargers on it.


This is why PR crashes :)

So how about a Ford Pinto with 5 turbochargers that doesn't crash :)


Or with 6 and adjusted suspension..

Re: Why do servers restart randomly?

Posted: 2011-08-30 10:31
by karambaitos
Menigmand wrote:So how about a Ford Pinto with 5 turbochargers that doesn't crash :)


Or with 6 and adjusted suspension..
suspension is hardcoded, and 5 really doesnt make a difference.

Re: Why do servers restart randomly?

Posted: 2011-08-30 10:52
by TheComedian
60% of crashes are AD framework related. The other 40% because servers run on windows.

Re: Why do servers restart randomly?

Posted: 2011-08-30 18:58
by Acemantura
60% of crashes are AD framework related. The other 40% because servers run on windows.
Absolutely not!

Crashes occur for many reasons, but certainly not because if the AD Framework.

These many reasons include, but are not limited to:
- Server admins using BF2CCD and not another service manager like Firedaemon
- Using BF2CC RCON, BF2RA, In-Game Admin while another user is doing the same action either using the same method or a different method.
- Running redundant RCON settings
- Running Two RCON settings (You have successfully logged in, you have failed to log in)
- Other server (box) processes are over taking the BF2 Server process on the processor core (affinity)
- The BF2 Server process affinity is opened to all the cores and not just one (it is a 32-bit, single core process afaik, but regardless of my knowledge of its architechture can only function on one core and one core alone)
- Server not having the VOIP on a separate process and core (BF2 Standalone Voip Server)

As for our Ford Pinto with 6 Turbochargers, this is an excellent analogy, however if you can give the suspension all the help it can get, i.e. proper installation and use of a server, bumps in the road will not be able to break our engine and all its cool doodads and additions so easily.

Re: Why do servers restart randomly?

Posted: 2011-08-31 00:00
by =]H[= Apollo
acemantura wrote:Absolutely not!

Crashes occur for many reasons, but certainly not because if the AD Framework.

These many reasons include, but are not limited to:
- Server admins using BF2CCD and not another service manager like Firedaemon
- Using BF2CC RCON, BF2RA, In-Game Admin while another user is doing the same action either using the same method or a different method.
- Running redundant RCON settings
- Running Two RCON settings (You have successfully logged in, you have failed to log in)
- Other server (box) processes are over taking the BF2 Server process on the processor core (affinity)
- The BF2 Server process affinity is opened to all the cores and not just one (it is a 32-bit, single core process afaik, but regardless of my knowledge of its architechture can only function on one core and one core alone)
- Server not having the VOIP on a separate process and core (BF2 Standalone Voip Server)

As for our Ford Pinto with 6 Turbochargers, this is an excellent analogy, however if you can give the suspension all the help it can get, i.e. proper installation and use of a server, bumps in the road will not be able to break our engine and all its cool doodads and additions so easily.
Someone give this man a medal

Re: Why do servers restart randomly?

Posted: 2011-08-31 01:05
by DDS
Also, sometimes the cleaning lady plugs next to the server and.. well you know.
Or someone moves the mouse.

Looking forward to PR on it's own platform (engine) and not having these random crashes that often gut punch great game nights.

Re: Why do servers restart randomly?

Posted: 2011-09-01 08:02
by Acemantura
Is that true? I haven't noticed very much on my server, maybe once a day or a squad bug in the same time but not crashing.

Do you guys really think the dev team needs to look at it?

Re: Why do servers restart randomly?

Posted: 2011-09-01 08:23
by PLODDITHANLEY
Last night one server crashed - we all went to another server - crash.

Third server held up.

Re: Why do servers restart randomly?

Posted: 2011-09-01 10:47
by BlazeDBe3
acemantura wrote:Is that true? I haven't noticed very much on my server, maybe once a day or a squad bug in the same time but not crashing.

Do you guys really think the dev team needs to look at it?
Yes. Because I believe they stated they fixed some of the bugs with servers in .973, but apparently it needs a tad more looking at.