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IDF Infantry
Posted: 2011-09-29 11:02
by RamBoRaideR
Hey There.
The Designated Marksman Uses the STAR-21 And the Model and Statistics should Change with it.
The STAR-21 Has a Realy Long Barrel - About 1.5 Longer then the Standard CTAR-21 Which gives it Alot of accuracy, And what you did in the Game is basicly Taking the CTAR-21 And Attached an Optic to it, which is wrong.
Also, the "standard Infantry Units" Which are Rolled in the Game are Using the GTAR-21 Today and barely the M4 /w UGL.
The GTAR-21 Has a Barrel about 1.25 so it can Hold the UGL,
Also, Please Give us a Break and Make it Possible to shoot With the Grenadier if you have Mars Scope on it. because now its just Blocking the 100 Meter Line.
460 mm (18.1 in) (TAR-21, STAR-21)[1]
380 mm (15.0 in) (CTAR-21)[1]
If i'll see Anything else I'll Add it here.
Re: IDF Infantry
Posted: 2011-09-29 11:16
by ZZEZ
Do you have an actual picture of STAR-21 being used by standard infantry battalions?
Re: IDF Infantry
Posted: 2011-09-29 11:53
by RamBoRaideR
made a quick search for Pictures:
Standard "Commander" Version of TAR-21:
GTAR-21:
STAR-21:
Classic: 
Modern: 
Backup Ironsight on the STAR-21:
Here's the Diffrence Between the CTAR with an ACOG on it and the STAR-21 with a More Serious Scope on it (Couldn't identify it.)
You can see that the STAR-21 Is More Massive then the CTAR-21.
Bonus - MTAR Which is Now being inserted into the Regular Units aswell In Diffrent Versions:
Waiting for a Response
Re: IDF Infantry
Posted: 2011-09-29 12:28
by gazzthompson
When ZZEZ wanted photos, i think he meant photos of the STAR-21 actually being used by infantry, not just generic photos.
Re: IDF Infantry
Posted: 2011-09-29 12:29
by RamBoRaideR
gazzthompson wrote:When ZZEZ wanted photos, i think he meant photos of the STAR-21 actually being used by infantry, not just generic photos.
Uhm Apperantly I forgot to add it lol, hold on i'll put it in.
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Re: IDF Infantry
Posted: 2011-09-29 13:36
by ZZEZ
Thats not STAR21, its CTAR21 with an ACOG - thats what DMRs[squad level] use in the IDF, The IDF does not use STAR or anything with a longer barrel then CTAR unless its the Grenadier because of the under-slung grenade launcher requiring a longer barrel.
FYI CTAR21 has a longer barrel then a M4, CTAR at 380 with M4 at 370 so no one can complain about loss of accuracy at 200 meters
Re: IDF Infantry
Posted: 2011-09-29 14:35
by J.F.Leusch69
but than we got a wrong designation ingame for the IDF marksman rifle?
its currently called STAR-21, but if i get you right ZZEZ its just a CTAR-21?
Re: IDF Infantry
Posted: 2011-09-29 14:50
by ZZEZ
Being technical its simply a CTAR-21 with ACOG and Bipod mounted on it, so yes.
Re: IDF Infantry
Posted: 2011-09-29 23:05
by RamBoRaideR
'[R-DEV wrote:ZZEZ;1673536']Thats not STAR21, its CTAR21 with an ACOG - thats what DMRs[squad level] use in the IDF, The IDF does not use STAR or anything with a longer barrel then CTAR unless its the Grenadier because of the under-slung grenade launcher requiring a longer barrel.
FYI CTAR21 has a longer barrel then a M4, CTAR at 380 with M4 at 370 so no one can complain about loss of accuracy at 200 meters
Take a Look at the Right Tavor, not the Left one, ovbiously you can see the First one is A CTAR and if you would read the line you would've understood.
Look at the Right TAR And notice he's more massive then the CTAR /W Acog
P.S. You could see that the STAR's Barrel in the exhibition is Longer then the Commander's Barrel which is in the game.
Also, The M4 Is alot More Accurate then the DMR Tar in the game.
Re: IDF Infantry
Posted: 2011-09-30 07:09
by ZZEZ
Its the same gun, same barrel length, both of them are CTAR DMR, Tavor Kalaim in Hebrew, armed with Harris bipod, the only difference is one is using an ACOG and another one is using a night sight, STAR has a longer barrel which in the picture you provided they have the same barrel length of CTAR.
Again - the only difference between these guns is the optical sight[day/night], they are both CTAR-21 DMR variant.
Re: IDF Infantry
Posted: 2011-09-30 11:42
by RamBoRaideR
'[R-DEV wrote:ZZEZ;1673992']Its the same gun, same barrel length, both of them are CTAR DMR, Tavor Kalaim in Hebrew, armed with Harris bipod, the only difference is one is using an ACOG and another one is using a night sight, STAR has a longer barrel which in the picture you provided they have the same barrel length of CTAR.
Again - the only difference between these guns is the optical sight[day/night], they are both CTAR-21 DMR variant.
Roger, Maybe my eyes are flickering me cuz of the big Sight.
Anywho, I think the Attributes of the TAR 21 DMR Are Not as it should be, considering it supposed to be a better weapon then the M4, and right now the M4 is alot more accurate and deadly.
Re: IDF Infantry
Posted: 2011-09-30 19:44
by J.F.Leusch69
RamBoRaideR wrote:Anywho, I think the Attributes of the TAR 21 DMR Are Not as it should be, considering it supposed to be a better weapon then the M4, and right now the M4 is alot more accurate and deadly.
you are wrong.
CTAR-21
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M4A1
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CTAR-21 DMR (undeployed)
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they only differ in the recoil, the deviation code is the same. the CTAR-21 and M4A1 also fire the very same round, while the CTAR-21 DMR fires are slightly stronger round but also a 5.56mm one.
your feels are fouling you.
Re: IDF Infantry
Posted: 2011-10-01 02:46
by RamBoRaideR
Yea I guess Probably, i never get to hit in the First rounds with the TAR21, and with the M4 its straight away, meh. thanks!