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Hi,

Me and my Clanmates often play PR and ride APC and TANKS. Great gameplay and mostly balanced.

Tanks are countered with other Tanks, HAT, Tank Hunting Vehicles (TOW), Stationary TOW. All fine and balanced.

But when an attack chopper comes up theres nothing we can do. Mostly we are dead and dont even hear or see the chopper. And i can hear (with Xfi, ultra) tanks miles away.

So we drove AA-Vehicles and Tanks to counter the Chopper. Mostly useless, cause the AA cant lock when the Chopper is to high - BUT the chopper can lock us and both vehicles are dead within seconds.

This was not a single game, its going on since years..

So we have no idea how Attack Chopper works, we never flew one. I know SL can laser us and then boom we are gone. But the Chopper has guided missiles even without lasering ?

Need some advice how to survive this choppers..How can you take em down?

Thanks!

Chopper gunners have two types of missiles; laser guided and normally guided. The first lock onto a laze done by ground troop and automatically tracks the target. The latter is guided by the gunner himself; the missile flies to whatever point was last clicked on by the gunner.

There's really not much a tank can do against choppers, which is kinda the point. Most of the time, all you can do is pray that your team's CAS takes out the enemy's; or that AA takes care of it.

Other than that there's not much really. Keep moving around I guess so the CAS doesn't have a fix on you.

Climb up a hill and take a shot at it with your main cannon. Usually works

At which Altitude a chopper cant be locked with AA anymore?`and at which ALT the Chopper Can fire his guided ?


there are LT and LG missiles, are the LF the laser guided ones?

Maximum-range for AA is 1300 (as far as I know). Manpads are 700.
Keep an AAV close to you at all times - it usually works.

wow 1300 is much ,tested to fly with chopper in coop now and 1300 alt is very high.

parking your tank next to static rocks (big rocks that are part of the level design) helps to mask your IR signiture because those rocks are highlighted in grey.

Standing infantry is less visible than prone infantry. stand next to walls if you dont have any overhead shelter.

the only other thing i can think of is, using your soflam goggles to paint a target close to your position, the ground or a building or something, not too far away. that means that when the enemy pilots check their map for a radio targeted target marker they will think that its you and that one of their friendlies has updated a lase that was there before they arrived. it works.
[it works well because as soon as the pilot sees a marker that nobody on mumble is talking about, they might do a dive run which disorientates their gunner. however if they were warned by text or commander or mumble squad leader chat they are more inclined to wait for the gunner to take it out. More seasoned pilots have different ways of approaching it, but noob pilots are predictible]

Garack wrote:wow 1300 is much ,tested to fly with chopper in coop now and 1300 alt is very high.

Keep in mind that this is maximum range counting straight up.
The further away the aircraft is, the lower it can get without being in AA lock.

When I do inf SL on a Cobra/Havoc/Apache map I try to get one AA up and manned and an AA kit whenever I know the chopper's up.

Keep an eye on the timer when it's down and 15 minutes later get ready with AA when it returns. For me priorities change when its about.

For APC and tanks, stay close to trees aswell. Depend of the map too, if you're in Kashan you're pretty screwed if you're not near a rock or a building to hide your IR signature. Again the pilot can switch to normal view and spot you quite easy. The thing is to see him before he does :/

try and use things that will block the choppers seeing you, tall buildings etc

aside from that you need an AA umbrella

1 AA vehicle doesn't usually cut it, an AA vehicle working with an infantry squad 500m away with an AA kit, with at least 1 static AA within 800m creates a big circle where choppers get lock tones, making them very nervous; or if they come in and lose altitude during their attack then one of these should get a good opportunity to engage.

you have a list of targets and things you need to be defensive towards, add to your list the man with the Bino's, much can be done by actively looking for him and then dealing with him.

if the enemies CAS is up there are many covered places on most maps to sit it out until the enemy CAS is down again.

if your CAS is down ask other squad leaders to 'counter laze' stuff to confuse the enemy CAS.

if things are being hit near you by enemy CAS safely presume you are next and get out of there and under cover.

as explained here already, if your team doesn't understand that taking out or protecting from the enemies CAS is a team wide effort then there is little you (as an armour squad) can do.

Your biggest enemy if CAS is up is the man with the binocs. They can't hit you effectively without a lase, so stay moving, stay hidden behind objects and if you see an SL or a sniper, keep their head down so they can't get a good lase on you. Otherwise there's not much you can do apart from staying hidden, just hope your CAS is better than theirs and otherwise hope for the best.

AquaticPenguin wrote:Your biggest enemy if CAS is up is the man with the binocs. They can't hit you effectively without a lase, so stay moving, stay hidden behind objects and if you see an SL or a sniper, keep their head down so they can't get a good lase on you. Otherwise there's not much you can do apart from staying hidden, just hope your CAS is better than theirs and otherwise hope for the best.

they can with the guided missile one shot kill cant they?

Garack wrote:they can with the guided missile one shot kill cant they?

Yes
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Garack wrote:they can with the guided missile one shot kill cant they?

Yes they can, but that takes a lucky shot. In flight, guiding these missiles without a laze is quite hard and hitting a vehicle dead-on is mere luck. However, most gunners counter this by launching multiple missiles so most of the time you're screwed anyway. But with any luck you can survive a chopper operating on its own.

Dont forget that evil 90 degree dive with hydras n hellfires. AA wont notice it till its too late.

Hitting without laze is easy. Gunner spots tank with thermals, if its stationary you just put croshair on it and click one time, boomb its dead. If its moving, gunner will tell pilot to slow down and stabilise, the tank will be down with couple hellfires.

My opinion is that CAS should just dive lazed tanks if there anything more than handheld AA but they can do very well without lazes too.

Wish you are in one of these:
http://images.wikia.com/cnc/images/a/ae ... e_Tank.jpg

But seriously, have lots of AA around(maybe somewhere near you with cover so they do not get killed by enemy ground forces) and you should be fine(attack choppers are more valuable than tanks most of the time; if it kills you and your team kills it with AA, it is worth it).

This problem used to be a whole lot worse when we had 3d markers at range. BVR hellfires usually accounted for the majority of tank kills. Now, its not all that hard to hover going forward at about 150kph and just hellfire anything that you see on thermals. Rocks dont help, they are a dull grey and you will be a hot white. Kashan is the worst for trying to fight attack choppers, as everything is completely level and its super easy to spot armor.

And for those of you saying you NEED a laze, you obv have not flown very much. Unguided hellfires are about 90% of what attack choppers do. If you have a particularly pesky havoc on the map, the best way to kill it is with OTHER CAS (i.e. the Apache).

kk thanks all for the input