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Qwai armour imbalance
Posted: 2011-12-27 02:08
by 40mmrain
Not sure why the americans get such a smaller and weaker armour force compared to the chinese on this map.
The chinese APCs get far bigger guns, and are amphibious compared to the strykers. the vn-3s even have bigger guns than the strykers. The bradley and the chinese tank are not equivalent, the bradley has to stop with it's ATGMs out, and has bar less armour.
This map gets ruined by the armour differences. The americans need 2 more bradleys, a kiowa with hellfires or an abrams.
Re: qwai armour imbalance
Posted: 2011-12-27 02:33
by dtacs
Just played Chinese on Sisu, OD-S (of course) rushed with the Chinese 30mm across and killed the Bradley within 2 minutes. This isn't taking into account the tank either.
I understand its going for an asymmetrical feel but the fact that the US get a Stryker going up against that much armor is just ludicrous.
Re: qwai armour imbalance
Posted: 2011-12-27 05:15
by ShockUnitBlack
Bring back the Kiowa?
Re: qwai armour imbalance
Posted: 2011-12-27 05:37
by dtacs
Nope. Give the US 3x Strykers, the Chinese 2x WZ551 (30mm) + 1x WZ551A (.50 cal). None of this TOW Humvee/Bradley nonsense.
No point having a tank on a map like Qwai in the first place. It used to have it until the lightmaps were updated, don't know why it was put back in.
Re: qwai armour imbalance
Posted: 2011-12-27 10:09
by Navo
Replace the Strykers with LAV's and we should be fine.
Re: qwai armour imbalance
Posted: 2011-12-27 10:21
by dtacs
That's USMC. Used to be on Qwai then the US Army was completed, who make more sense on an inland map as well.
Re: qwai armour imbalance
Posted: 2011-12-27 12:27
by Stealthgato
Change one of the Strykers to an MGS variant

Re: qwai armour imbalance
Posted: 2011-12-27 13:20
by dtacs
Qwai
would be the best map for a Stryker company, hopefully one day we'll see that cause unfortunately the US Army are kind of stale now

Re: qwai armour imbalance
Posted: 2011-12-27 14:06
by karambaitos
Stealthgato wrote:Change one of the Strykers to an MGS variant
all problems instantly solved
the US need to play defensively, in order to easily win that is they could until the bradley completely got so nerfed that now its just a loud pile of scrap, the biggest problem with the map is that the bradley needs to stand still for so freaking long, and everyone knows what happens to apcs that stay still for too long
Re: Qwai armour imbalance
Posted: 2011-12-27 16:06
by MaSSive
Chinese tank is so lame. Its not even considered a threat. Weak armor and quite weak atgm. But I agree tank is too much for this map. Remove Bradley and balance it with tweaking Chinese armor. But lets not make it too easy for USMC

Re: Qwai armour imbalance
Posted: 2011-12-27 17:23
by tankninja1
The Strykers are the biggest problem on this map, the Americans get so many of them but the only piece of armor they can kill are the little VN-3s which, unrealisticly, can also kill the Strykers ( the Stryker is armored against 14.5mm rounds)
Re: qwai armour imbalance
Posted: 2011-12-27 17:51
by 40mmrain
Stealthgato wrote:Change one of the Strykers to an MGS variant
MGS totally trumps all enemy apcs, and is able to damage enemy tank, an MGS a bradley and some .50 strykers would be better.
Re: qwai armour imbalance
Posted: 2011-12-27 18:31
by Navo
Stealthgato wrote:Change one of the Strykers to an MGS variant
You genius *******
Posted: 2011-12-27 19:39
by Portable.Cougar
Map is fine. Layout is fine.
Your just playing it wrong.
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Re: Qwai armour imbalance
Posted: 2011-12-27 20:06
by Gotrol
Wrong? The map is wrong, US should have total supremacy in everything every time, and the chinese should get only UAZ transports. Then it will be balanced.
/sarcasm.
Re: Qwai armour imbalance
Posted: 2011-12-27 22:52
by ShockUnitBlack
On paper, the PLA have a significant asset advantage over the US on Qwai, but it's an infantryman's map at the end of the day. Basically every vehicle on the map is just waiting to get HATed due to the small size of the battlefield (plus the bridge choke-points) and its myriad hills. So what you've really got - with the exception of the very fast, very small, and very well-armed VN3 - is a bunch of liabilities, not assets.
Changing a few WZ551s over to the .50 cal variant would probably be a good decision however.
Re: Qwai armour imbalance
Posted: 2011-12-28 03:48
by 40mmrain
ShockUnitBlack wrote:On paper, the PLA have a significant asset advantage over the US on Qwai, but it's an infantryman's map at the end of the day. Basically every vehicle on the map is just waiting to get HATed due to the small size of the battlefield (plus the bridge choke-points) and its myriad hills. So what you've really got - with the exception of the very fast, very small, and very well-armed VN3 - is a bunch of liabilities, not assets.
Changing a few WZ551s over to the .50 cal variant would probably be a good decision however.
nah nah, theres nothing liable about the armour as defensive assets.
Portable.Cougar wrote:Map is fine. Layout is fine.
Your just playing it wrong.
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yup no map is ever imbalanced youre just playing it wrong! Why not give the chinese 100 tanks and 50 attack helos? If the americans lose theyre just playing wrong.
Re: Qwai armour imbalance
Posted: 2011-12-28 05:17
by PricelineNegotiator
40mmrain wrote:yup no map is ever imbalanced youre just playing it wrong! Why not give the chinese 100 tanks and 50 attack helos? If the americans lose theyre just playing wrong.
I lol'd
Agreed with the MGS. Is that a vehicle already in PR?
Re: Qwai armour imbalance
Posted: 2011-12-28 06:02
by MaSSive
PricelineNegotiator wrote:I lol'd
Agreed with the MGS. Is that a vehicle already in PR?
Why not
AC130?
/facepalm
Re: Qwai armour imbalance
Posted: 2011-12-28 07:08
by PricelineNegotiator
MaSSive wrote:
Why not
AC130?
/facepalm
Dude, this guy is right. We need the AC-130 on Qwai.