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Russians needs something more powerful, because it's got less ammo and lesser damage, than other army's pistols.

Damage is based on bullet calibre and on other realistic characteristics from the weapon firing it (if required) which in this case, isn't unless you've got some real statistical proof that the Makarov dose more damage in r/l.

youre firing 9x18 at guys in body armour, usually this doesnt go so well doing the same in real life, yes? Either aim for the head, or dont engage. ALthough, the russians really should be getting Mp443s as standard issue sometime this century..

The Makarov is the MOST POWERFUL, MOST ACCURATE, and MOST RELIABLE weapon,...to shoot yourself with.

Sidearms has never been something favored by the anyone unlike in the movies; you see them(specifically Makarov, I have not seen many photo of other pistols in use) more used by Special forces in cqb door clearing exercises while using it in one hand and other hand holds a Vant-LM shield or something.

There has been some cases where the Makarov couldn't penetrate a winter jacket. Yes, it is underpowered, but rightfully so.

So, what about to replace PM with PYa?

As far as I've heard, usual 9x18 used in Makarov pistols have really hard time penetrating even human skin...still you can throw the pistol at the enemy (and that would do some damage ).

M.Hart wrote:As far as I've heard, usual 9x18 used in Makarov pistols have really hard time penetrating even human skin...still you can throw the pistol at the enemy (and that would do some damage ).

It does enough damage when pressed against some uncooperative prisoner's head.

ComradeHX wrote:It does enough damage when pressed against some uncooperative prisoner's head.

Oooohh that was nasty.. Hahaha..

If PR is about realism, the Russians have a Patton on a holster that automatically chambers a round when they draw their sidearms.

So if we add that in game, the Russians should draw their sidearms faster than anyone else ingame because they don't need to chamber a round.

MP-443 Grach maybe?

Underpowered is an understatement you are better off with rocks than the gun.

The 9?18mm Makarov rounds in use with the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation are designed for pistols and submachine guns. Currently (2003), there are several variants of 9?18mm Makarov produced for various purposes. All use clad metal as case material.[2]
The 57-N-181S cartridge is loaded with a steel-core bullet and is designed to kill personnel at a range of up to 50 m (55 yd). The bullet has a clad metal envelope totally covering the core. The bullet’s nose is spherical with no distinguishing color of the tip. It can penetrate a 1.3 mm thick St3 steel plate or 5 mm ordinary steel plate at 20 m (22 yd).
The RG028 cartridge is loaded with an enhanced penetration bullet and is designed to kill personnel wearing body armour. The bullet has a core of hardened steel.
The SP-7 cartridge is loaded with an enhanced stopping effect bullet and is designed to defeat live targets. The bullet has a black tip.
The SP-8 cartridge is loaded with a low-penetration bullet and is designed to engage personnel.
Cartridge designation[3] 57-N-181S RG028 SP-7 SP-8
Cartridge weight 10 g (154 gr) 11 g (170 gr) 8 g (123 gr) 8.5 g (131 gr)
Bullet weight 6 g (92.6 gr) 6 g (92.6 gr) 6 g (92.6 gr) 5 g (77.2 gr)
Muzzle velocity 298 m/s (978 ft/s) 325 m/s (1,066 ft/s) 420 m/s (1,378 ft/s) 250 m/s (820 ft/s)
Muzzle energy 251 J (185 ft?lbf) 317 J (234 ft?lbf) 417 J (308 ft?lbf) 156 J (115 ft?lbf)
Accuracy of fire at
25 m (27 yd) (R50) 32 mm (1.3 in) 32 mm (1.3 in) 32 mm (1.3 in)

Above is from wikipedia for 9x18 makarov

I agree with it being underpowered in under 50m environment, in game, it just doesnt feel like you have a any stopping power, it seems like u have to put 8 rounds in someone to kill them.. Although it is never going to be as powerful as 9mm para it is still design to kill and shows it can penetrate 5mm of steel. The idea a wintercoat will stop the round is insane, maybe at 500m.

Is there a way to code to make it much more powerful until 50 meters?

Souls Of Mischief wrote:There has been some cases where the Makarov couldn't penetrate a winter jacket. Yes, it is underpowered, but rightfully so.

Wheres the source for this?

BMF-cetniksoldier wrote:The idea a wintercoat will stop the round is insane, maybe at 500m.

Go tell that to an ex-Soviet Army officer who experienced it first hand.

Perhaps, the round was to blame, but really it is inferior to 9x19. Not that it matters if you get shot in the head, though.

regardless of wintercoats, I know body armour definitely stops the makarov's round dead, its damage is appropriate.

40mmrain wrote:regardless of wintercoats, I know body armour definitely stops the makarov's round dead, its damage is appropriate.

You are right with military armor it would stop the round because of the low velocity compared to larger calibers. Is there ever a situation where it could be used in game vs insurgents with no body armor. Is there a way to increase damage then.

Souls Of Mischief wrote:There has been some cases where the Makarov couldn't penetrate a winter jacket. Yes, it is underpowered, but rightfully so.

Well a bit necro,but looks like holywar is still going.
Know one man,that tell their battle comrades to test it on themselves.No one follow them to test.This is just an story for kids actually.

To the topic.
Modern soldier body armor protect agains any kind of rifle rounds.But bullet may take serios damage even without penetration,break rib for example by kinetic energy.

Standart 9x18mm bullet have around 350J of energy,almost same as standart parabellum bullet.Enough to kill human without armor suit or make fruise/broken bone,if carry underwear armor.
They never penetrate military armor,but they may stun and shock,if hitted into the armor jacket.And legs,arms,face isn't protected BTW.

Well I think they can at least give it a larger magazine. In the Russian Army, they now mostly use 10 or 12 round casket magazines rather than the old 8 round ones. I think this change ought to at least make it much more combat effective and realistic.

godfather_596 wrote:MP-443 Grach maybe?

No, if any alternative to Makarov, I would say APS stechkin which is often used by russians.