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CAS Huey Minimum Crew
Posted: 2012-03-25 11:29
by sweedensniiperr
Is it just me or are the CAS hueys often one-manned?
I'm not saying it's necessary to have the spotter but it certainly helps. What do you guys think should the huey require 2 people to use it?
Re: CAS Huey Minimum Crew
Posted: 2012-03-25 12:21
by Jolly
With everybody on mumble, one-manned huey is powerful.
The spotter can be replaced by lase in some case.
But spotter is useful when on Recon mission
Re: CAS Huey Minimum Crew
Posted: 2012-03-25 12:30
by fillsson
Depends on the map IMO.
Searching for targets with a secondary pilot = Death on Muttrah, but can be good on Jabal for example.
Re: CAS Huey Minimum Crew
Posted: 2012-03-25 13:06
by LieutenantNessie
sweedensniiperr wrote:Is it just me or are the CAS hueys often one-manned?
I'm not saying it's necessary to have the spotter but it certainly helps. What do you guys think should the huey require 2 people to use it?
Doesn't really help much, the laze is shit and doesnt stick where you want it most of the times. Marker is enough, for example in Muttrah you dont have time to search for targets
Re: CAS Huey Minimum Crew
Posted: 2012-03-25 13:24
by sweedensniiperr
it's just that i saw phlupple and sax's video and it seemed really helpful. don't mean that it is as you could tell i'm no flyboy
Re: CAS Huey Minimum Crew
Posted: 2012-03-25 14:55
by mockingbird0901
Yea, I'd say that on Barraacuda a co-pilot is really helpful, at least when you got some efficient comms going on, like sax and phlupple there
Re: CAS Huey Minimum Crew
Posted: 2012-03-25 15:25
by MaxBooZe
You're better off having a good man on the ground TBH.
Re: CAS Huey Minimum Crew
Posted: 2012-03-25 15:37
by saXoni
MaxBoZ wrote:You're better off having a good man on the ground TBH.
Why is that? Having a guy in the same chopper as you means he can see everything from your point of view. If you're high, his view is a lot better than if he's on the ground. Checking one area is a lot easier with a co-pilot, instead of having a guy in the ground being forced to run all the way over there to check.
I personally think the CAS-huey should need two men to operate. There are no cons about it.
As I said above; it's easier, and it saves everyone a lot of time.
LieutenantNessie wrote:Doesn't really help much, the laze is shit and doesnt stick where you want it most of the times.
Not if your co-pilot knows where to aim in order to place an accurate lase.
Re: CAS Huey Minimum Crew
Posted: 2012-03-25 16:13
by Zrix
saXoni wrote:Why is that? Having a guy in the same chopper as you means he can see everything from your point of view. If you're high, his view is a lot better than if he's on the ground. Checking one area is a lot easier with a co-pilot, instead of having a guy in the ground being forced to run all the way over there to check.
I personally think the CAS-huey should need two men to operate. There are no cons about it.
As I said above; it's easier, and it saves everyone a lot of time.
I tend to agree. This also goes for the Kiowa I think - it can be a life saver to have someone with thermals on a 360 degree camera with zoom.
With that said, qualified people on the ground is also very important.
Re: CAS Huey Minimum Crew
Posted: 2012-03-25 16:18
by sharpie
saXoni wrote:Not if your co-pilot knows where to aim in order to place an accurate lase.
Not if your co-pilot knows where to aim in order to place an accurate lase.[/B
This. This, and this. I'm guilty of failing with this however, but I know from experience that a good spotter can make all the difference.
Sax can attest to me being a horrible co-pilot.
Re: CAS Huey Minimum Crew
Posted: 2012-03-25 16:35
by saXoni
Zrix wrote:With that said, qualified people on the ground is also very important.
Yeah, don't get me wrong. I'm not saying a spotter on the ground is useless, I'm just saying having a guy in the same chopper as you is a lot more useful.
sharpie wrote:Sax can attest to me being a horrible co-pilot.
"Enemy there... Uhh... No! Yeah, there! Uhh... Left a bit, then right."
Re: CAS Huey Minimum Crew
Posted: 2012-03-25 16:36
by saXoni
Double post, please delete.
Re: CAS Huey Minimum Crew
Posted: 2012-03-25 19:21
by Murphy
I do enjoy spotting for a good pilot, it makes for great comms and also allows the pilot to focus on flying/killing/staying alive while the copilot coordinates with the ground forces. I have had many fun rounds as copilot for some very skilled kiowa/cas huey pilots and I do believe leading a CAS squad from a copilot seat to be quite effective, more so then a guy who is forced to sneak around on foot for targets.
I just find that you get sucked into useless fights on the ground and end up being somewhere other then where you are needed, whereas the copilot is somewhat reliant on the inf SLs and comms from people on the ground making him somewhat detached from the battles if no one is giving him info.
Re: CAS Huey Minimum Crew
Posted: 2012-03-25 19:43
by MaxBooZe
saXoni wrote:Why is that? Having a guy in the same chopper as you means he can see everything from your point of view. If you're high, his view is a lot better than if he's on the ground. Checking one area is a lot easier with a co-pilot, instead of having a guy in the ground being forced to run all the way over there to check.
I personally think the CAS-huey should need two men to operate. There are no cons about it.
As I said above; it's easier, and it saves everyone a lot of time.
Not if your co-pilot knows where to aim in order to place an accurate lase.
Perhaps my view is too limited to Attack Helicopters, I'm sure it can be used to great effect in the Huey and perhaps Kiowa. That's where it stops though.
Re: CAS Huey Minimum Crew
Posted: 2012-03-25 20:20
by saXoni
MaxBoZ wrote:That's where it stops though.
Not quite sure if I follow you, Max. What do you mean?
Re: CAS Huey Minimum Crew
Posted: 2012-03-26 14:19
by Arnoldio
How about having good spotter on the ground and also a copilot in the chopper?
Yes yes, thank you, im a genius.
Re: CAS Huey Minimum Crew
Posted: 2012-03-26 21:08
by saXoni
Arnoldio wrote:How about having good spotter on the ground and also a copilot in the chopper?
Yes yes, thank you, im a genius.
That would definitely be the best, but what would you choose if you could only pick one option? Co-pilot or a spotter on the ground?
Re: CAS Huey Minimum Crew
Posted: 2012-03-26 22:54
by chrisweb89
There is also the fact that they huey can take multiple hits as the co-pilot searches for targets, where as most choppers have to be in and out quickly or they die. Copilots are awesome, and more useful on certain maps, but I think it also has to do with the fact the huey can currently take an AA missile, the copilot can then lase it and kill it. Any other chopper in that case would be dead or running for their life.
Re: CAS Huey Minimum Crew
Posted: 2012-03-26 23:47
by 40mmrain
I totally agree, the co-pilot position is useful, misused and/or underused.
I mean, personally I'd want to see some M134s, or M2s sticking out the side of the doors, but that would mean each huey is a 4 man job, meaning 2 hueys are 8 men, which takes away from infantry quite a bit. However, I think it could work well on 128+ servers, and having the a single gunner manning both guns, by rapidly switching. there goes me with my suggestions, image related.
Re: CAS Huey Minimum Crew
Posted: 2012-03-27 16:05
by Arnoldio
saXoni wrote:That would definitely be the best, but what would you choose if you could only pick one option? Co-pilot or a spotter on the ground?
But why would you pick only one if there is room for two? :/ Especially on 128 servers.
I never piloted a cas huey but its probably that way when you need a ground spotter you have a copilot and vice versa.