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Flare gun!
Posted: 2012-10-07 08:58
by Pvt.LHeureux
I think a flare gun would be a great addition to the specialist kit on the night layer. It would be used to light up the ground and the surrounding terrain.
I works great in FH2 and it would be a great way to start infantry fights/ambushs and light stuff for CAS squads

Re: Flare gun!
Posted: 2012-10-07 09:17
by AfterDune
I've never seen it in FH2 I'm afraid, are there videos?

Re: Flare gun!
Posted: 2012-10-07 09:37
by Pvt.LHeureux
No, I tried to find some, it's in the night map with Italians versus Brits, where brits have to destroy planes and objectives called Operation Hyacinth.
Re: Flare gun!
Posted: 2012-10-07 09:52
by AfterDune
Gotta have to.check that out

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Re: Flare gun!
Posted: 2012-10-07 17:27
by Rhino
Not sure if the BF2 engine can really handle that kind of dynamic lighting but if it can, awesome
But instead of a "flare gun", think an illumination shot from mortars would be more realistic

Re: Flare gun!
Posted: 2012-10-07 17:35
by sweedensniiperr
didn't the norwegian forces have one?
Re: Flare gun!
Posted: 2012-10-07 17:41
by Pvt.LHeureux
[R-DEV]Rhino wrote:Not sure if the BF2 engine can really handle that kind of dynamic lighting but if it can, awesome
But instead of a "flare gun", think an illumination shot from mortars would be more realistic
It can, as proved in FH2, it works great
Yeah I heard illumn rounds were vastly used during the conflict. But the thing is that with flare guns you would not have to rely on a mortar squad most of the time. Would also give the specialist kit a use, because you don't really need ropes on this map

Re: Flare gun!
Posted: 2012-10-07 17:42
by rampo
Re: Flare gun!
Posted: 2012-10-07 17:43
by Rhino
If you can find a source to suggest flare guns where/are used for this purpose, then I might consider it. Only use I see for a flare gun might be a pilot for CASEVAC? Flares don't generally illuminate the surrounding area...
And having to rely on mortars for an illumination shot to me doesn't sound like a bad thing?
Re: Flare gun!
Posted: 2012-10-07 17:56
by Pvt.LHeureux
Well I had read this article here that gave me the idea in a part :
Falklands War hero explains why he entered the church after being awarded the Military Cross - Telegraph
“To me, it was the obvious thing to do because I thought, 'We are going to die if we stay here’. How I didn’t get shot is the remarkable thing. I could see the muzzle flashes from the Argentine weapons and they could see me because there was a lot of light from flares and I was the only person standing up. But they just couldn’t get me.”
Also here :
Battle of Mount Tumbledown - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
For four or five hours, three platoons of Argentinian riflemen, machine gunners, and mortar men pinned the British down. To help identify the bunkers, the Guardsmen fired flares into the summit. The Guardsmen traded 66 mm rockets and 84 mm anti-tank rounds with the Argentinians, protected in their rock bunkers. The Argentinians refused to budge and the Scots Guards could hear some of the Argentinians shouting obscene phrases in English and even singing as they fought.
Here :
Battle of Mount Harriet - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The battle for Mount Harriet began on the evening of 11 June with a blistering naval bombardment that killed two Argentines and wounded twenty-five.[8]John Witheroe, one of the British war correspondents, later recalled the softening up fire:
We were involved with one night attack on Mount Harriet, when the Welsh Guards were coming up as a back-up. This involved marching for several hours on a very dark night, through a minefield. Sporadic shellfire slowed our progress tremendously. Eventually we made the base of Mount Harriet, which was coming under incredible fire from a frigate off shore. The whole mountain seemed to erupt in flame. It seemed impossible that anybody could survive an attack like that. This went on for well over an hour, shell after shell whistling over our heads and hitting the mountain. Eventually this was lifted and the Marines went in. To our amazement, there seemed to be an incredible amount of fighting going on. There was a lot of tracer fire. The whole night was being lit up by flares, which cast a dead, unrealistic, pall over the whole scene.
Mortars :
Battle of Two Sisters - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
With the help of a light-intensifying night scope, they could see sentries moving about. Suddenly, an Argentine machine-gun opened fire and the Marines launched a couple of flares from their mortar, firing back with their own machine-guns and rifles.
Re: Flare gun!
Posted: 2012-10-07 18:03
by Rhino
In pretty much all thous cases, flares most likely = illumination shot from a mortar, since they are basically big *** flares, and not a flare from a flare gun? Only possibly The battle for Mount Harriet ref might be but most likely its from a small mortar they had with them.
Re: Flare gun!
Posted: 2012-10-07 20:22
by Pvt.LHeureux
Well we can't tell for sure, but flare guns are used in all wars most of the time, wouldn't surprise me if they saw some use in the Falklands too. Maybe make them on a limited kit? Say sniper, specialist, marksman kit?
Re: Flare gun!
Posted: 2012-10-07 20:26
by Rhino
I've never heard of a flare gun being used to illuminant the battle field myself. Will see what the MAs think but first I would like to see what FH2 has done.
Re: Flare gun!
Posted: 2012-10-07 20:32
by Pvt.LHeureux
I'll try to make a video sometime.
Re: Flare gun!
Posted: 2012-10-07 20:44
by Sgt. Mahi
[R-DEV]Rhino wrote:I've never heard of a flare gun being used to illuminant the battle field myself. Will see what the MAs think but first I would like to see what FH2 has done.
I will try to find a source later if you shouldn't believe me but when I was in the Danish army we used flare guns all the time in night exercises. Really effective just before making a surprise attack on the enemy.
... Or were you just referring to the Falkland war?
Re: Flare gun!
Posted: 2012-10-08 09:29
by sweedensniiperr
Ok, so maybe flare guns are not so realistic, but the illuminant shots seems pretty badass.
Re: Flare gun!
Posted: 2012-10-08 10:35
by KneeHiGh
This would make night maps more enjoyable and cooler.
I would be happy just with ilum rounds from mortars
Re: Flare gun!
Posted: 2012-10-08 12:02
by Predator.v2
Czech military white illuminating parachute flare. - YouTube
Maybe make this a mortar feature?
"Requesting illuminating rounds fire mission"
Haven't they already used this in ww2? *remembering a night scene of "Letters from Iwo Jimo*
Re: Flare gun!
Posted: 2012-10-08 12:05
by AfterDune
Could someone be kind enough and make a small vid of how FH2 has implemented this?
Re: Flare gun!
Posted: 2012-10-08 12:29
by KiloJules
[R-DEV]Rhino wrote:And having to rely on mortars for an illumination shot to me doesn't sound like a bad thing?
In our squad we had talked about this suggestion many times before and I would love to have it implemented (also in vPR and especially PR:V) but I always thought that was already suggested/hardcoded/whatever
There is hope...