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Wouldn't it be nice with a clan that doesn't lock themselves up in squad and instead use their skill and knowledge to form an organized team? A clan which deliberately focuses on teamplay rather than squadplay that all clans do now.

This is one of the reasons I feel that TG was and will always be the best.(Yes ladies and gentlemen, TG is brought up in another thread!) They could have 8 in-house-squadmembers* on each side with some of them taking leading roles, would it be squadlead, commander, logistics or apc's.

They did this unintentionally(I think..) which I find pretty amazing. Seeing as there is no TG server or not really an active TG community I'm thinking about the possibilities of a clan that focuses on teamplay. Will it actually improve gameplay? Would people in the clan enjoy it? Would people that have their own clan squad enjoy?

What do you think?

*basically the clan of TG, not the community

I agree, and I just face-palm when I see 1 squad full of the same clan-tag ***** about every other squad-leader on there team when they could have divided into for example 3 squads and get direct help from randoms and know they can rely on at-least 2 other squad leaders since they are clan-buddies.

I think it is the result of elitism and K/D hunting, and the fact that they don't want to bother talking to random people.......even though they have to eventually when they need something specifically done.

A squad-leader / commander group of players could bring a lot of quality to PR

Nagger pls...

We used to spread out and lead the whole team, only to get whined and bitched at even more. Nowadays we dont even bother, as its so much more dimpler and stress free to play with my bros. I even used to command quite a lot. Nowadays its not as rewarding cause apart from these clansquads you tslk about, not that many SLs can get shit done.

Also, dont know what clans youve had experience with, but I find clan squads to be more coordinated and better teamworkers than pubbiesquads. The fact that they dont just spam sl comms with every little trivial detail is a good thing, not a bad thing...

Sweeden,

1. Stop whining and create such a clan!

2. Find people that are willing to spend their own time to test, train, organize, teach, learn, etc.

3. Deal with all the shitty attitudes, brain-dead-like behavior and immaturity out there.

4. THEN tell me it is still fun playing this game with anyone else then the people you know!

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Instead of posting this thread you should have spent a round as a SL of a "teamwork" squad on CIA and try to make a difference. I bet after a short while you would have noticed that, as Lagi said, the responding squads mostly were lead by someone with a clan tag!

/rant

Sweeden, when i play on CIA, i always want other CIA to lead other squads. Sure, most of them whore assets but i stick to INF. If i lead one and you lead one, we can get shit done. if somebody wants to join that, even better.

The reason why I think squad-leading isn't as fun as it should be is because you mostly just feel like your all alone in the game. You ask other squad-leaders directly and they don't respond at all, or they refuse to help you because they are already busy on there own secret mission.

Playing with new players in my squad isn't a problem as long as they are responsive, if not..they can have a warning and a kick, but the fact that I probably have to invent my own mission by myself because there is no commander and hardly any other squads that bother to reply is frustrating. In this type of play you will see abandoned defend location and no supply-runs and not many enemy targets are being called in......or written off when they actually gets killed.

I dont see what is stopping you from making this clan, op

We try to do this on HOG, when we have enough members on there's usually one flying trans and two or three leading squads. This is a lot of fun and in the current server community it's the best you can do to bring back a piece of that old teamwork.

Sounds like Sweeden hasn't played on Indigo yet.

Hell, even CIA has a history of spreading out over a team on Kokan. I remember more than 20 times when I yelled at members for stacking and locking their squad.

Then again I don't get to play much any more on Kokan...probably why everyone is getting pissed off with it...

Here's a though.... just because you use a tag, doesn't mean you like to squad lead! Perhaps you prefer being a grunt and prefer to be lead by a decent squad leader. As a decent squad leader prefers to lead decent squad members. Those are often hard to come by depending on how high your standards are...

Further more, the whole point of a clan is to find a group of players to play with on a regular basis to be able to increase the squad effectiveness and be able to work less on it and more on cooperation with other squads.

A squad leader that doesn't have to babysit his squad members can focus a lot more on teamwork and tactical awareness. Something that most SL lack and that is why cooperating with tagged SL tends to be a lot easier.

However, there are plenty of squad leaders that do enjoy leading random noobs that join their squads, mostly because they can boost their ego in knowing they are leading less experienced players that won't notice their leadership mistakes or question orders.

I say, respect both types and focus on what you prefer and do best.

Onil actually is right. There are people who just aren't good at leading, and I don't think it'd help the team a whole lot if they'd be SLs.

The idea of founding a clan focussed on training people to be good SLs still isn't bad, however. I'm sure almost everyone would welcome that and maybe a few would join. I say go ahead with it.

Onil wrote:Here's a though.... just because you use a tag, doesn't mean you like to squad lead! Perhaps you prefer being a grunt and prefer to be lead by a decent squad leader.

[quote=""'[R-MOD"]Spec;1870056']Onil actually is right. There are people who just aren't good at leading, and I don't think it'd help the team a whole lot if they'd be SLs.
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You are absolutely right. I'm glad you brought that up. In my mind "my dream clan" would of course allow players that don't squadlead in. And just as me, some rounds I just don't feel like squadleading, nor am I good at it. Therefore "dreamclan" would also teach its member squadleading.

Say there's 2 of said clan in a squad, a not so confident member is leading. His clanmate who is more experienced would sit in teamspeak with him for support.

[quote="Acemantura""]Sounds like Sweeden hasn't played on Indigo yet.[/quote]

Would love to play there but I haven't seen it up, plus america time and I don't really have time to play much.

We had some squadleader trainings at PRTA.
At the beginning there were people attending, but at some point no one was interested anymore.. so there's non anymore..

Onil wrote:However, there are plenty of squad leaders that do enjoy leading random noobs that join their squads, mostly because they can boost their ego in knowing they are leading less experienced players that won't notice their leadership mistakes or question orders.

Lolwut. I usually play with my friends, sometimes lead pure pub squads, or squads with 3 pubs and 2 guys I know, but reading that blew my mind. You just basically insulted the people at the core of this game, the average SL. They make up the majourity of the SLs and whether you like it or not you will need to depend on them at some time.

Just to give an example of how wrong that statement is leading a pub squad is way harder, and usually more frustrating than leading a squad of tight friends, just because you aren't used to eah other and you may have some players not as good as you would expect. So why would most SLs voluntarily SL that, probably to help their team, and possibly help some players. Not just to make themselves feel good.

Hmmm, a Tutorial/Training clan... Endorsed by PR but clan-independent, so there is no recruiting and stuff. Mighty intredasting. If I only had will, time and resources...

Perhaps something like this could be formed without too much trouble.

A gathering of squad-leaders that commit to the same rules with a mission to improve team-work overall regardless of clan-tags. Kinda like a secret society for leaders without the need for secrecy.

1. There is no clan tag but perhaps a squad-tag, so players can stay with there current clan and still be a part of this "secret society for leaders"
2. It's main focus is quick and efficient, and most of all dependable teamwork among squad-leaders
3. A dynamic ranking system (round based) could be used to avoid arguments when quick decisions has to be made
4. An in-game qualification is necessary to join, as there is a standard to up-keep, but tryouts or trainees are accepted
5. training sessions could be conducted if a training server would be available, otherwise it could be done on live servers.
6. Designated Fire-team leaders acting as 2nd in command in squads could also be a part of it. These would support the squad-leader in a stressed situation, keeping the squad intact in case he dies... disconnects... or if he is out of sight etc.
7. Squad-leaders that are not part of this are still being heard and will be helped as much as possible, but they are obviously not dependable.
8. You don't have to lead every round, but if you don't want to squad-lead you could at-least be 2nd in command and just help out a bit.

Would anyone be interested in joining this type of thing?

[quote=""'[R-MOD"]Spec;1870056']Onil actually is right. There are people who just aren't good at leading, and I don't think it'd help the team a whole lot if they'd be SLs..[/quote]

Oh, and clans (tight knit groups) are?

[quote="chrisweb89""]Lolwut...Just to give an example of how wrong that statement is leading a pub squad is way harder, and usually more frustrating than leading a squad of tight friends, just because you aren't used to eah other and you may have some players not as good as you would expect. So why would most SLs voluntarily SL that, probably to help their team, and possibly help some players. Not just to make themselves feel good.[/quote]

this ^

Boom, there it is!

Onil wrote:mostly because they can boost their ego in knowing they are leading less experienced players that won't notice their leadership mistakes or question orders.

Maybe they just have more patience and skill with new players and know how to build rapport and in turn earn their respect.

Usually when I see a clan squad it's locked. Ego?

Onil wrote:However, there are plenty of squad leaders that do enjoy leading random noobs that join their squads, mostly because they can boost their ego in knowing they are leading less experienced players that won't notice their leadership mistakes or question orders.

That's the most ridiculous thing I've read in days.

Perhaps most of you should research the meaning of the word "mostly". It was meant as "many" and not as every single SL that leads random pubbies. And I do know how hard it is to SL a squad of pubbies, hence the term "babysit".

Main point is that there are different types of squad leaders and definitely different points of view of how that leadership should be done but in the end, the main conclusion of my previous post was that we should respect each one even if we don't agree with it.

You can agree or disagree with my opinion all you want.... Now if your interpretation of the last part of my post, was as an insult, that's your bad... perhaps I stroke a nerve. There are plenty of SL like that in the pubs and I'm sure they're not going to agree with my point of view on how they lead.

Perhaps all SL's should focus on improving their inter-squad communication discipline over mumble before taking the job of teaching other players on how to play PR. The teaching part requires quite a lot of focus and if you're not good at multitasking and maintaining proper comms, it will be total chaos. As it often is and doesn't help the team that much....

An experienced grunt or SL will certainly feel frustrated when following orders from a less experienced SL, specially if those orders get them all killed on a regular basis. In the same way that it can be quite frustrating to lead new players that you can't rely on because they have no idea what they're doing, yet.

So why is it that ridiculous to say that less experienced or bad squad leaders will feel more comfortable leading total noobs than experienced players?

It happens all the time... and for a fair amount of them it definitely is a ego boosting experience.

sweedensniiperr wrote:Would love to play there but I haven't seen it up, plus america time and I don't really have time to play much.

We are starting up on weekends until we build community support.

We want to do this right so we are taking it slow.