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Required Spotter kit to request sniper kit
Posted: 2013-07-16 22:01
by HAAN4
the reason for such change is because it will give lots of improvements about sniper use in game play. i will give two big pros about it.
Pro one: Never more (or at least more difficult) morons will grab sniper kit and leave you squad to die in front lines without support.
Pro Two: Encourage sniper squads of two to operate properly sniper kit.
Thanks guys, i hope this tread has be good to the comunity
Regards
Re: Required Spotter kit to request sniper kit
Posted: 2013-07-17 06:31
by Rhino
Interesting idea, worth talking about
Re: Required Spotter kit to request sniper kit
Posted: 2013-07-17 06:35
by RocketPropelledGoat
wow,what wonderfully simple solution. Less lone wolf snipers is always a positive in my book
Re: Required Spotter kit to request sniper kit
Posted: 2013-07-17 07:27
by Moszeusz6Pl
Interesting idea. Only drawback of it is, that it will no longer by available to request sniper as long range squad support weapon, although they can still request spotter to get it.
Re: Required Spotter kit to request sniper kit
Posted: 2013-07-17 07:50
by waldov
Yeah sounds good, no one can argue with less lone wolves, only problem is that many people frequently use sniper and officer together as a team.
Re: Required Spotter kit to request sniper kit
Posted: 2013-07-17 14:02
by Souls Of Mischief
How about you can only spawn in the game once you have joined a squad with atleast 4 people in it? How about once you go further than 50m away from a SM you get kicked from the server? /s
IMO, poor "solution" to a non-existent problem.
in4 "lol lone wolf, go back to bf3"
Re: Required Spotter kit to request sniper kit
Posted: 2013-07-17 14:26
by ghostfool84
I think it's a good Idea, i have no clue how serious snipers will think about this, but in most cases sniper kit is lonewolfers first choice. They just join a squad, grab the kit and take their solo huey to muttrah hills. At least it will be harder for this kind of people to get that kit. for those who play serious it should not change that much, they need the spotter kind to use the sniper effenciently i think.
A kit request delay for anyone who joins a Squad could help against kit grabber btw
Re: Required Spotter kit to request sniper kit
Posted: 2013-07-17 14:40
by 3ti65
As much as i hate noobs that take sniper rifles and lonewolf around, i think you guys overestimate how much a good sniper needs to rely on a spotter. I'd much rather hang around with a medic, even though the spotter has a hook. Also there's some really good snipers around, that lonewolf all the time without getting killed. By adding that, you would scare off people that like to work alone.
But it might be better anyways. Just to keep the 2 sniper slots free from nubs.
Re: Required Spotter kit to request sniper kit
Posted: 2013-07-17 14:57
by Chaosfox_[434th]
I like the idea it will promote snipers working in two man teams a one spotter for each sniper just as it is done it real life. Real snipers don't operate alone after all they always have a spotter with them to both pick out targets and to protect them in the situation gets a bit hairy.
Re: Required Spotter kit to request sniper kit
Posted: 2013-07-17 16:05
by Frontliner
This would only work if the Spotter was accessible to an SQL only, otherwise there is no hindrance of a Spotter kit being requested in any squad, and the Sniper afterwards.
Re: Required Spotter kit to request sniper kit
Posted: 2013-07-17 16:05
by qubolo
Of course, it's a great idea and should be implemented as soon as possible.
And by the way.
Souls Of Mischief wrote:How about you can only spawn in the game once you have joined a squad with atleast 4 people in it? How about once you go further than 50m away from a SM you get kicked from the server? /s
IMO, poor "solution" to a non-existent problem.
in4 "lol lone wolf, go back to bf3"
What the fuck are you insinuating, judging by your post count you play this game for some time, there is no way you couldn't see any of that lonewolf sniper stuff happening.
Could you just explain why is it a "poor solution"? People like you just make my head explode every time i read this forum.
Posted: 2013-07-17 16:33
by Mineral
While I like the idea, I hope they won't just waste the spotter kit and leave it near the crate. What's the limit on spotter kit for a team now?
Re: Required Spotter kit to request sniper kit
Posted: 2013-07-17 16:56
by ghostfool84
Frontliner wrote:This would only work if the Spotter was accessible to an SQL only, otherwise there is no hindrance of a Spotter kit being requested in any squad, and the Sniper afterwards.
You have to wait after you requested a kit, enough time to kick him out.
Re: Required Spotter kit to request sniper kit
Posted: 2013-07-17 17:02
by Souls Of Mischief
qubolo wrote:
What the fuck are you insinuating, judging by your post count you play this game for some time, there is no way you couldn't see any of that lonewolf sniper stuff happening.
Could you just explain why is it a "poor solution"? People like you just make my head explode every time i read this forum.
I never stated I didn't observe "lonewolf sniper stuff happening". Lonewolfing snipers aren't the problem, the problem lies in those players who aren't capable of utilizing the role properly. Teaming up with a spotter won't suddenly alleviate this problem.
Clarification on "poor solution" - what makes you think snipers, all of a sudden, will work closely with spotters? Because now you have to have a spotter in the squad before requesting a sniper kit? What if I ask a guy to join my squad to request a spotter kit and once I've gotten my sniper kit, he just drops the spotter kit and I'm on my merry way.
Also, the spotter might as well be on his merry way sitting on top of a building in the middle of nowhere while
his sniper buddy is still lonewolfing on the other side of the map. There also was no mention of how this suggestion can be implemented in the game...
Re: Required Spotter kit to request sniper kit
Posted: 2013-07-17 17:34
by qubolo
Of course, if someone really wants to go and lonewolf, there is no single thing in the world that is going to stop them. But from what i see, PR developers always try to make it harder, and requiring 2 people cooperating in order to achieve this goal is certainly more difficult than just joining the squad with one guy in it (or just taking the sniper and leaving when you made the squad).
Same goes with marksman and other stuff, but sniper requires only 2 people which doesn't really make a big difference for a guy wanting to derp around. That is why we need this change. And possibly more other changes making it harder(in most cases not impossible) for people to derp around.
Re: Required Spotter kit to request sniper kit
Posted: 2013-07-17 18:10
by Souls Of Mischief
qubolo wrote:Of course, if someone really wants to go and lonewolf, there is no single thing in the world that is going to stop them. But from what i see, PR developers always try to make it harder, and requiring 2 people cooperating in order to achieve this goal is certainly more difficult than just joining the squad with one guy in it (or just taking the sniper and leaving when you made the squad).
Same goes with marksman and other stuff, but sniper requires only 2 people which doesn't really make a big difference for a guy wanting to derp around. That is why we need this change. And possibly more other changes making it harder(in most cases not impossible) for people to derp around.
Okay, then lets do this.
Souls Of Mischief wrote:How about you can only spawn in the game once you have joined a squad with atleast 4 people in it? How about once you go further than 50m away from a SM you get kicked from the server?
Why is "lone-wolf sniper" considered "derping around"? Lone-wolf sniper =/= useless sniper.
Re: Required Spotter kit to request sniper kit
Posted: 2013-07-17 19:01
by qubolo
Souls Of Mischief wrote:Okay, then lets do this.
How about you can only spawn in the game once you have joined a squad with atleast 4 people in it? How about once you go further than 50m away from a SM you get kicked from the server?
Not sure if you are trolling...
1.) Because there are some squads that didn't reach required 4 people restriction and they will not be able to spawn until 4th person joins(it may not be even required). Completely ridiculous idea, it would make mortar, cas and armor squads very hard to operate.
2.) There are many situations where you need your squadmate to get beyond that range, for very many reasons.
Its all common sense i just don't know how can you make such ridiculous statements.
Why is "lone-wolf sniper" considered "derping around"? Lone-wolf sniper =/= useless sniper.
By derping around i mean, not using assets in the way they are meant to be used. Lone wolfing means not depending and not cooperating with the team. But the sniper role is very much dependent on the team and is very important. of course lonewolf is not useless player but sure it's detrimental to the gameplay, imagine everyone lonewolfing, game would be playing out but it no longer would be PR, but just simply bf3 or cod.
I don't know any simpler way to put it. Sorry.
Re: Required Spotter kit to request sniper kit
Posted: 2013-07-17 22:03
by HAAN4
Frontliner wrote:This would only work if the Spotter was accessible to an SQL only, otherwise there is no hindrance of a Spotter kit being requested in any squad, and the Sniper afterwards.
Agreed, requesting spotter only for Squad leader will also improve the suggestion
+1
Re: Required Spotter kit to request sniper kit
Posted: 2013-07-17 22:26
by HAAN4
Frontliner wrote:This would only work if the Spotter was accessible to an SQL only, otherwise there is no hindrance of a Spotter kit being requested in any squad, and the Sniper afterwards.
Agreed, requesting spotter only for Squad leader will also improve the suggestion
+1
spawn delete it please
Re: Required Spotter kit to request sniper kit
Posted: 2013-07-17 22:42
by Souls Of Mischief
qubolo wrote:Not sure if you are trolling...
1.) Because there are some squads that didn't reach required 4 people restriction and they will not be able to spawn until 4th person joins(it may not be even required). Completely ridiculous idea, it would make mortar, cas and armor squads very hard to operate.
2.) There are many situations where you need your squadmate to get beyond that range, for very many reasons.
Its all common sense i just don't know how can you make such ridiculous statements.
Sarcasm, dramatisation, over-exaggeration... Look it up.
By derping around i mean, not using assets in the way they are meant to be used. Lone wolfing means not depending and not cooperating with the team. But the sniper role is very much dependent on the team and is very important. of course lonewolf is not useless player but sure it's detrimental to the gameplay, imagine everyone lonewolfing, game would be playing out but it no longer would be PR, but just simply bf3 or cod.
I don't know any simpler way to put it. Sorry.
Erm... that's your interpretation of lone-wolfing. Not every sniper whose playing by himself is "lone-wolfing" (using your "definition" here). How is a sniper, playing by himself, detrimental to the gameplay? It all boils down to the players and players... are hard-coded.
Why are we even bothered by ONE GUY doing what he wants. If he's so inclined to go solo, let him. I've seen (and done so myself) snipers, who are lone-wolfing, be of greater value to the team than a sniper and his useless spotter having a mutual masturbation to fulfill their "MARSOC BROS KILLING TERRORISTS IN A-STAN ON A HILL YO" sexual fantasy. I'd rather have that spotter capping a flag or helping destroy a cache.
Me "imaging everyone lone-wolfing" is irrelevant to the discussion.
Answers in red.
I'd probably make a more meaningful comment on this subject tomorrow. Or maybe I won't. Why? CUZ FREEDOM!