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I looked and saw this reported, however the first thread was locked and the other turned into a feedback discussion of the tiger instead of addressing the landing issue.

The German Tiger is extremely prone to flipping on landing, though I'm not entirely sure the cause of this; grasping for straws here but it seems like if you touch down with the back wheel first it's fine, but if you land evenly or with the front wheels touching the ground first, the tiger will flip pretty rapidly (usually to the right, for me). I have gotten to the point that I choose to hover over the pad to resupply rather than risk flipping if I land.

Not sure if this is an issue with the French Tiger, haven't gotten to play with it yet.

Yeah I noticed that problem pretty soon when the Tiger came out, rarely saw anyone landing without crashing it.

They key that I found on a local CO-OP server that I used to test it, was to aim absolutely horizontal while landing (you need look at the horizontal orientation stripes before starting, this is the exact degree you wanna land at). It's also nearly impossible to flip it back once it reaches a certain sideways degree.

I didn't try it with the 1.0 so far as I don't wanna risk anything so I agree with the over-sensibility.

land with the front wheel

If landing the Tiger is not your comfort zone it's better to just hover and rearm. Weird European helos pfft lol.

https://www.realitymod.com/forum/f26-pr ... eable.html
https://www.realitymod.com/forum/f26-pr ... asily.html
https://www.realitymod.com/forum/f26-pr ... bug-2.html
https://www.realitymod.com/forum/f26-pr ... ost1483791
https://www.realitymod.com/forum/f26-pr ... r-bug.html
https://www.realitymod.com/forum/f26-pr ... -land.html

[R-DEV]Rudd wrote:update, landed it, screwed it up first time, adjusted my method - its simply a matter of maintaining the heli as level and below a speed of 40, its a top heavy, narrow aircraft with a big nose, get the front wheels down first, then get the back wheel nice and down fast WITHOUT unintentionally rolling the aircraft or the wheel will get caught under you.

case closed, practice.

[R-DEV]Tim270 wrote:If you find it hard to land hover as close to the ground as possible and just hit E. Should land just fine.

[R-MOD]Jigsaw wrote:This is only going to be repeated once, this is not a bug. You need to practice your landing techniques.

[R-DEV]crazy11 wrote:This is NOT a bug, I can land the helicopter fine, if you can not land properly that does not mean it is a bug.

Attack choppers are not wide based choppers like the chinook or huey so it takes much more practice.

You do not want to post a new thread about it again, as there is plenty of them already, and it has been very officially considered "NOT A BUG" by professionals : because yes indeed, the tiger IRL has the same problem with wheels not being solid and randomly disappearing on landing and making it flip over, it happens all the time it's common stuff for tigers!

Anyway, to help you on this topic though, as Inspektura already said, just land with the front wheel first, and do not land it smoothly. You want to do anything but a soft realistic landing because if you do so it'll be very likely to flip.

Land with the nose down and hit the ground hard enough. Take off with the nose down as well, just like rolling ahead before taking off forward you know. Practice on that, and you'll be fine

nAyo wrote:You do not want to post a new thread about it again, as there is plenty of them already, and it has been very officially considered "NOT A BUG" by professionals : because yes indeed, the tiger IRL has the same problem with wheels not being solid and randomly disappearing on landing and making it flip over, it happens all the time it's common stuff for tigers!

You got me good. Was so about to lay the smack down on you for this.

Anyway yeah, I hope this doesn't get locked the same way as those threads. There's something very particular wrong with the Tiger that makes it flip only when you land in a certain way. Thanks for the tips.

It's definitely a bug but it's probably too much of a hassle for the DEV's to fix it (Re-importing the model in the 3d application, fixing the pivot points and making sure it and its texture exports correctly again and having to troubleshoot a few times to get the flying mechanics right again). Exporting objects to the engine isn't very streamlined, especially when it comes down to vehicles.

So instead of accepting it as a bug they tell you " It's intentionally made like that on purpose " and tell you to practice more. I can land it, it's just annoying and stressful as hell.

EDIT: In my opinion, it's a "Bug" cause it's "bugging" me.

Dogbox wrote:It's definitely a bug but it's probably too much of a hassle for the DEV's to fix it (Re-importing the model in the 3d application, fixing the pivot points and making sure it and its texture exports correctly again and having to troubleshoot a few times to get the flying mechanics right again). Exporting objects to the engine isn't very streamlined, especially when it comes down to vehicles.

Even so, that's certainly not enough hassle to never fix it. I think people didn't understand the conditions which made it flip.

EDIT: In my opinion, it's a "Bug" cause it's "bugging" me.

It's a "bug" because it causes your CAS crew to spontaneously be on their heads for no reason in under 0.5 seconds. It's not a lack of experience or skill landing causing it.

If your cas crew doesnt know that tiger tends to flip on landing/take-off then they shouldnt operate it.

the only bug here is that you dont know how to land it.

land on front wheels and you will succeed every time, I had the same problem. it flipped on the pad when I was landing. then I learned that you have to land on the front wheels.

I just want to say that there's not a SINGLE aircraft in the WORLD where the Operating Handbook suggests that a nose first landing is safe, practical and preferred. I understand that this a game so that changing it requires a lot of time so its not going to change.

Inspektura43 wrote:If your cas crew doesnt know that tiger tends to flip on landing/take-off then they shouldnt operate it.

One shouldn't have to intimately know every vehicles buggy issues that cause spontaneous unrecoverable flips on an otherwise completely safe landing, and have to learn for themselves how to overcome this strange and unintuitive issue.

ExeTick wrote:the only bug here is that you dont know how to land it.

land on front wheels and you will succeed every time, I had the same problem. it flipped on the pad when I was landing. then I learned that you have to land on the front wheels.

No, it is a bug. Helicopters don't work that way. I know -how- to land it, but it still doesn't make sense that it would operate that way.

Lol, the amount of BS being flung around saying that its people's fault for having an issue with a buggy landing helicopter. Choppers should have their own flight characteristics, some even more than others but none should have this severe of a difference, along with the fact that recovering it is impossible, unlike other choppers when they start to roll. First time I touched a tiger I flipped it near instantly, after some practice I have decided just to bail out 2m above the pad, or hover, just because it can be done doesn't mean it should be considered a finished product and if you can't put up with its weird glitchy mechanics GTFO.

The Tiger's on our list of helicopters to fix, specifically the landing issue. I'm not sure we're going to have this fixed in time for the next patch, but rest assured we've noticed. (We had a fix for 1.0, but the fix turned out to cause more problems than it solved...)

nAyo wrote: and it has been very officially considered "NOT A BUG" by professionals : because yes indeed, the tiger IRL has the same problem with wheels not being solid and randomly disappearing on landing and making it flip over, it happens all the time it's common stuff for tigers!

This stuff is getting boring...

It was not considered a bug back then as its a issue with the mesh (vanilla) mainly. Yes, its broken, we know and have known and have been trying to fix it. So thanks for the condescending pep talk.

the quote you used of me was giving advice on how to use it in its current state rather then denying anything...

Thanks for clarifying, you two!

You can go ahead and lock this if you think it will help before people start saying more crazy things.

[R-DEV]Jafar Ironclad wrote:The Tiger's on our list of helicopters to fix, specifically the landing issue. I'm not sure we're going to have this fixed in time for the next patch, but rest assured we've noticed. (We had a fix for 1.0, but the fix turned out to cause more problems than it solved...)

Ah great

This "flipping over on touch down" issue still exists. Has it been forgotten about or has it been identified as unfixable?

Evilhardt wrote:This "flipping over on touch down" issue still exists. Has it been forgotten about or has it been identified as unfixable?

Nope we still have the issue reported, just needs to be fixed.