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The infantry are always riding on top, and its REALLY inconvenient... and they're incredibly vulnerable... the BTR is a big spacious bulky *** APC, why can't the infantry fit inside?

we have 2 versions ingame, one where you go inside and one where you are outside. The rationale IRL for sitting on the outside (iirc from our Russian lads) is that the passengers inside are very vulnerable to mines.

Saying that, we cant have a system where you get to pick to be inside or outside, so perhaps this realistic feature is a step too far for our game engine given that your survivability ingame doesn't necessarily reflect RL.

Would be nice to replace the Muttrah BTR-60s.

I prefer riding on top TBH, you are like an exposed firing port and it looks about 10x more badass. IMO, leave it as is!

Yeah and one AR is simply gonna wipe out the whole squad on the BTR. Even in a trans truck you are better protected than on this things. Rudds explanation doesnt really make much sense gameplay-wise in PR, since a mine would kill everybody anways.

It does look badass but I personally hate to sit on top of them. Its like just waiting to get shot off from it. But yeah they can stay, because on the other side its always fun to pick them off the roof if you are Blufor

Btr 60s are really fun to use !

I mean, as a squad leader... when running mechanized infantry squads, having my infantry on the outside of the BTR is an extreme handicap. I would very much prefer all the infantry to be inside the APC as intended, otherwise why wouldn't we have "Ride" versions for all APC's? It doesn't make sense to me

I totally understand the logic behind having your guys sit on top while getting carried to the battle. First off in real life if anyone starts shooting at the vehicle everyone can just jump off and find cover, in PR it's the same duration of time either way. Press E and you are done, while in real life I'm pretty sure getting out of a BTR in full combat gear isn't as easy as you would want while being fired upon. The mine issue can be applied to AT of sorts, I'm willing to bet that the concept is it is better to have the entire vehicle as a shield instead of just the floor/sides. I do however believe real APC crews take way less risks, in reality I would assume those BTRs would drop the infantry off at a safe distance from enemy positions but we cannot really expect that in PR.

Unfortunately none of these concepts could ever apply to PR, instead you are rolling around on top of a death trap waiting to get picked off or hit that mine (and still die). If there were a bit of time penalty for getting into and out of an APC but none for sitting on top it would make sense. If passengers were ejected from exploding vehicles instead of being outright killed, riding on top would, again, make sense.

while in real life I'm pretty sure getting out of a BTR in full combat gear isn't as easy as you would want while being fired upon

somewhere is a brilliant video of Russian soldiers exiting the BTR via the rolley polley method, it's actually pretty badass

well, there is no reason in game for this "feature", its seems more dumb than useful, one day i get a ride behind a BTR60 in mutra with AR on the back, i was the second turret but i just did noting and get killed by a light AT and the BTR still rolling.

I think it's pretty cool looking.

It fits the MEC team easily.



But I understand Blue.
I remember countless times on muttrah of just sitting on the BTR and getting killed by a LAT kit, killing everyone on top and not the btr.


But BTR's are quick transports so, i can't complain much, since they can outrun almost anything. (except LAV's on muttrah)

It would be a much more useful feature if players exiting from these external passenger seats took no vehicle-movement damage, enabling them to disembark rapidly when coming under fire.

I don't think they ride on top when inside an active combat area of 4-16 km^2.
I agree though, it looks cool and as an attacker it's really nice but I think sitting inside would be more realistic and logical.

Nah they do.
Saw a documentary on grozny and they were sitting on top the vehicles for most of the time.

Bluedrake42 wrote:The infantry are always riding on top, and its REALLY inconvenient... and they're incredibly vulnerable... the BTR is a big spacious bulky *** APC, why can't the infantry fit inside?

Ason wrote:I don't think they ride on top when inside an active combat area of 4-16 km^2.
I agree though, it looks cool and as an attacker it's really nice but I think sitting inside would be more realistic and logical.

It's something what is done in real life scenarios because;

1. Exiting from the BTR/BMP is time consuming, whether it is 10km for the battlefield or 100 meters from the enemy, time is precious either way. Jumping of it and running into the woods is much faster.

2. The infantry becomes a "shield" for incoming projectiles

3. Once with by an RPG or a mine (or any AT round) half of the infantry inside is killed, the other half is unconscious or not ready to fight. I'd rather be wounded outside of the APC and crawl into a bush than being wounded and killed inside the big metal thing.

4. Having only 2 (?) predictable exits it's more prone to having the infantry killed at once, while shooting a machine gun into a big pile of bodies with armor, guns and helmets

5. The infantry is very conscious of their surroundings and can react quickly and efficiently.


It was never really made to ride through a combat area with infantry in it. Just to transport them to a save place near the combat area. It's armor is only 1cm thin.

1. Exiting from the BTR/BMP is time consuming, whether it is 10km for the battlefield or 100 meters from the enemy, time is precious either way. Jumping of it and running into the woods is much faster.

I agree.

2. The infantry becomes a "shield" for incoming projectiles

I agree.

3. Once with by an RPG or a mine (or any AT round) half of the infantry inside is killed, the other half is unconscious or not ready to fight. I'd rather be wounded outside of the APC and crawl into a bush than being wounded and killed inside the big metal thing.

If I had to choose which way to die of these two I would choose the same as you, but I'm thinking like this: The chance of being killed is smaller when inside. So my choice is not which way I want to die, but if I want to die or survive
IED: outside - almost certain death
inside - about the same but atleast it protects you from smaller IEDs
RPG: outside - if hit close I guess you are dead/very wounded
inside - same as with IED, protects you from weak RPG but not from stronger ones.

4. Having only 2 (?) predictable exits it's more prone to having the infantry killed at once, while shooting a machine gun into a big pile of bodies with armor, guns and helmets

I agree.

5. The infantry is very conscious of their surroundings and can react quickly and efficiently.

I agree.

Although it seems like you are very exposed and vulnerable when on top, your arguments makes much sense. I guess choosing which position is the "safer/better" also depends much on the situation and what types of weapons are used against it, but yeah you made some good points which I think usually applies to most situations.

you have convinced me

Ason wrote:I agree.

I agree.

If I had to choose which way to die of these two I would choose the same as you, but I'm thinking like this: The chance of being killed is smaller when inside. So my choice is not which way I want to die, but if I want to die or survive
IED: outside - almost certain death
inside - about the same but atleast it protects you from smaller IEDs
RPG: outside - if hit close I guess you are dead/very wounded
inside - same as with IED, protects you from weak RPG but not from stronger ones.

I agree.

I agree.

Although it seems like you are very exposed and vulnerable when on top, your arguments makes much sense. I guess choosing which position is the "safer/better" also depends much on the situation and what types of weapons are used against it, but yeah you made some good points which I think usually applies to most situations.

you have convinced me

My point was not convincing you of my own philosophy.
The things I summed up are not something I made up myself lol

It's something that is well known throughout the Russian army
Russian soldiers would often die inside the BTR/BMP because of RPG-7 fire (Afghanistan, Chechnya, Ingushetia, Dagestan). As I mentioned, the armor of the BTR is 9mm, one RPG can easily do very big damage.
Just imagine being burned to death inside the BTR/BMP with 8 of your fellow soldiers, knowing that if you try to escape you'll be shot down or hijacked and your throat slit open.

The bottom of the BTR and BMP are also relatively thin. IEDS and especially mines are guaranteed deaths.


Братская Могила Пехоты is a misinterpreted name from acronym that was given by the Russian soldiers to the BMP. It literally means "Common grave of infantry"

I wasn't sarcastic when I said you convinced me, your reasoning and knowledge made much sense and I just wanted to point out that my opinion had been changed. Something I think people do far too rarely. Anyways, no offense.

Yeah, IRL they do ride atop because an RPG shot to the BTR could give them concussion, not the certain death in an iron coffin. But PR-vise I would prefer that soldiers would sit inside. For obvious balance reasons.

Also consider that you generally don't us armoured transport to avoid AT weapons, but rather small arms fire. Sitting on top of the transport somewhat defeats the point.