You've had a great deal of success piloting the Tiger <30m off the ground, where your flares are rendered useless and every single AT weapon and tank has angle on you? I'm sorry but I find this quite hard to believe. I do enjoy the tiger's differences too but the migraine-inducing thermals are not one of those lovable differences.'[R-MOD wrote:Mongolian_dude;2066605']The GER Tiger is probably my favourite AH in PR because its just so different, not least of all because of the lack of a cannon and it's awesome disco ball. While it might not be as capable when employed in the same fashion as other AHs, particularly the traditional high angle attack, it does allow you to do some awesome stuff with unparalleled potency. Certainly your overall situational awareness as a crew improves with the 360' rotating mast.
I personally have had a great deal of success piloting the GER Tiger on Wanda Shan. The mast-mounted disco ball, coupled with the anorexic width and high manoeuvrability of the Tiger, means its a great piece of kit for hovering between 6m gaps in tree lines to ambush unsuspecting armour. I'd love to have a shot at using the same tactics on Silent Eagle!
The FR variant with cannon and cockpit mounted FLIR, on the other hand... Now that is kind of nightmarish! Especially with Xiangshan's view distance.
I wish I could remember the name of my gunner so he could back me up on this, but I kid you not, the RL pop-up tactic worked like a treat.viirusiiseli wrote:You've had a great deal of success piloting the Tiger <30m off the ground, where your flares are rendered useless and every single AT weapon and tank has angle on you? I'm sorry but I find this quite hard to believe. I do enjoy the tiger's differences too but the migraine-inducing thermals are not one of those lovable differences.
If a server ever plays that rare map I'll do that and post the result no matter what happens..'[R-MOD wrote:Mongolian_dude;2066805']I wish I could remember the name of my gunner so he could back me up on this, but I kid you not, the RL pop-up tactic worked like a treat.
We only ever deployed flares when we flew at medium or high altitudes where there is no cover and where AA is inevitably looking for targets. We killed about 2 Type 95 SPAA, largely because they felt they were away from the main combat zone and were not alert at all. I can't even recall if we got locked by AA while at tree level.
I imagine it would have been really difficult for an AA to get a lock on us despite us being stationary, because 85% of the vehicle is behind dense forest. We only had about 4 different spots that had a good line of retreat behind hilly terrain, each looking out over the various clearings that make up the map. Not visible from the sides, I suspect because of all the trees and hilly terrain, the obstacles would have blocked and quietened the sound, giving the impression we were much higher and further away than in reality.
We were not engaged a single time by INF or armour the entire time we were 30m (more like 12m).
It was just like being a sniper team, I suppose, except with serious magnification, high speed, mobility and ATGMs. We didn't get a ruthless amount of kills like you might do patrolling, it was somewhere not short of 40-0 or 40-2.
I have to admit it is really quite stressful trying to maintain such a steady hover as to depress the bird into a forest between tress like that, but (except maybe for the Kiowa) it really is the best heli in PR for the job.
As for the FLIR, I've used it a bunch of times and it really hasn't proved much of an issue. Again, only with the French Tiger, which has its FLIR located above the cockpit and beneath the rotor blades, has it been a real issue.
Viirus mate, I urge you to have a go at doing exactly this with the GER Tiger and make it into one of your gameplay videos! I'd love to watch that.
I think your maybe confusing the two?viirusiiseli wrote:If a server ever plays that rare map I'll do that and post the result no matter what happens..
However I don't understand what the problem with the french tigers camera is? It seems better in every way to me.
Negative angles are only poor if flown improperly. Angle of attack is all you need for good negative visibility. As for positive angle, nearly useless most times in attack helis at high altitudes.'[R-MOD wrote:Mongolian_dude;2066823']I think your maybe confusing the two?
This is our German friend, the UHT with the disco-ball, mast-mounted FLIR.
Very handy for taking cover behind and seeing over obstacles. Full 360' rotation and powerful magnification.
And this is his one of his French counterparts, a HAD with the FLIR sitting below the rotor and on top of the cockpit:
Iirc, it has near-180' rotation, poor negative angles and vision at positive angles is blocked by the very intrusive main rotor blades.
Tiger doesn't stand a chance against the Z9. Z9 is extremely agile and you can easily outmaneuvre the Tiger even if he is in a superior position. The HJ-8 have this much higher turn-radius due to their low speed(?) and makes it extremely easy to hit the Tiger with the first or second missile already.[R-DEV]Mats391 wrote:The HJ-8 Z9 is no real threat to the Tiger, the auto-cannon of Russian choppers however will rip you apart, especially if they attack you from above.
It could and still can be used as a full on attack heli, it's just that the rotor is blinding. This is literally the only problem. If the rotor doesn't blind the gunner there is no fault with the tiger. If that is fixed it can be used as both, low and high modes.'[R-MOD wrote:Mongolian_dude;2067287']It seems like much of the criticisms laid against the Tiger here are from people employing it in the exact same way they would other AHEs. Has anyone actually tried doing something different with it and making use of it's more unique attributes? Just me?
I can totally understand the outcries against the French variant which is equipped to compete with other world-class AHEs and comes up short, but many of the Tiger variants represent a somewhat different doctrine. For the sake of utility in PR, consider it a slightly more robust hybrid between two light AHEs (Z-9 an excellent example!), more tuned to reconnaissance than heavy attack like the AH-64d, Mi-28, Z-10. In fact it is more similar to something like the Z-19, which we do not have in PR.
There is so much fun/realism to be had and I feel like many are missing out!
What about fixing the flying attributes? A large number of people complain that the Tiger will crash if you point downwards and I've seen a whole lot of Tigers crash on the heli pad because of this. Or has this already been changed?[R-DEV]Mats391 wrote:Would giving the German Tiger a top-attack mode help? With that you could easier engage target from behind cover. On the downside it would make the chopper even worse in dogfights.
Another thing would be to look at making the rotor more transparent. Not sure how realistic that would be though.
Not sure on the flight physics, but landing is way easier now. If i can do it, everyone canFrontliner wrote:What about fixing the flying attributes? A large number of people complain that the Tiger will crash if you point downwards and I've seen a whole lot of Tigers crash on the heli pad because of this. Or has this already been changed?
Mats, I think that's what he's saying. For everyone's information, the issue is that the skids have the wrong material setting applied to them, meaning that landing actually counts as a collision and also contributes heavily to the Tiger's tendency to roll over on the deck. It has since been resolved for the next release.Spook wrote:Mats thats not in 1.2 yet. The fix was applied for 1.3
