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I'm just a bit p*ssed off due to the fact that whatever server I join, all I can find are people who don't know how to play the game and are still leading squads, leaving more experienced people to follow stupid orders, for example joining one squad and having to spend the whole match defending a position without building anything due to the fact that the squad leader didn't touch the officers kit or speak, after me and other people asking multiple times.
And the squeakers don't get me started on them... It's like this game is on Steam! With the amount of players joining, not saying that's a bad thing especially for the developers but, I like realism and tactical play, not squeakers and people who don't know how to play or lead a squad into battle!
And then there is the stereotype that you don't know how to play the game properly, because of the amount of new comers if i do something risky when i know it will pay off for my squad like run away when smoke isn't working as effective cover and people are down as medic, because i am no use dead to them and flank round when we are comprimsed because of someone on a higher elevation than us for example, often leaving wounded, it's just annoying, the game is so different now, this used to be my favorite game...
After today, I think I'm going to resign from playing PR on my own until everyone gains some experience...

So, I was just wondering if its only me having this annoying problem with it all, hit me up with a private message if you're in an experienced clan please, I'd like to join one because of this bullsh*t.
No offence to the new comers or devs I'm just mad and I want to find some people to play with...

Maybe mandatory training as a prerequisite to playing the game? Maybe by generating one time codes after training is done that are linked to usernames, training being contained as another executable/game within the launcher, sort of like a mandatory manual but more useful. Americas army 3 has this, or even mandatory training servers or something? I don't know, it doesnt seem out of bounds in regards to the engine and limitations of BF2... Just food for thought.

Chill we were all beginner, new players will gain skills it's just a matter of patience.

Well you have probably played on a server without admins or you haven't told them the situation. All servers enforce teamwork and if someone is not doing their job properly as a squad leader they will be removed if you let the admins know. Especially if they are not communicating.
If they are communicating but are doing bad at leading the squad you can ask them to pass it on to someone who can or even try it yourself.

There are a lot of new players and if they don't receive any help with PR's very steep learning curve, we will just drive them away.

More excited about PR than I ever have been. New players are great and extend the life of this mod.

I've been teaching new players for 5+ years, or ever since I felt comfortable doing it. I never lock my squad and never feel like I have to play with "only good players".

In the last year or so, I have loaded the game or checked PRSPY to only find one server with 30 people in it. Now there are dozens, several of them with 100.

If I had to pick between not playing, and playing with guys I can teach... I'm not even sure why that's a question I would even consider.

Let's think about our priorities here folks.

I'm sorry you feel that way about new players but the players is the thing that makes PR and what we all should be doing instead of shunning them, is embracing (not literally) them and showing them the ropes. I know its a lot of work but the long term rewards for everyone are huge!

ElectricCowBoy wrote:Maybe mandatory training .... it doesnt seem out of bounds in regards to the engine and limitations of BF2... Just food for thought.

It pretty much is tbh, while yes probably not impossible to do, would take a sh*t load of coding and work and at this stage of PR's life, would do far more harm than good.

Good Afternoon,

Let's start a counseling group for the war torn veterans. PR is a totally different type of game. You got to realize that most folks play the vanilla Battlefield series as well as others that allow them to shoot others with impunity.

Come on, live and let live.

I mean like a wise man once said:

[R-DEV]Rhino wrote:I'm sorry you feel that way about new players but the players is the thing that makes PR and what we all should be doing instead of shunning them, is embracing (not literally) them and showing them the ropes. I know its a lot of work but the long term rewards for everyone are huge!



It pretty much is tbh, while yes probably not impossible to do, would take a sh*t load of coding and work and at this stage of PR's life, would do far more harm than good.

Perhaps a quiz that will pop up the first time you start the Launcher and will have questions that you can answer from the manual? Wouldn't be a problem for the old players as they will get through it in a minute or two but might make new ones to read the manual.

It doesn't help if impatient players and admins are just reporting/warning/kicking the newbies for minor mistakes.
That just leads to frustration and makes people leave instead of getting to know the PR gameplay love.

New players have to get taught and friendly advised how PR works, and how it should be played.
Give people the chance to learn it atleast.

Play insurgent, grab AK and hip fire

Been squad leading newbies non stop the past few days. It feels pretty good when they are happy to be in a good squad etc. it just gets a bit tiring to lead / teach 7 new Guys each round.

Still keeping going strong, but it's insane how many new people are around. I understand that you feel annoyed but you just need to step up and make a squad instead. Make a squad called teamwork and new people will flock to you, because that's what they are here for. This way you shape the game of your team. Maybe other veterans are also SL'ing and you can use the SL coms etc.

I've been dealing with newbies for years... like literally years. There are hundreds of veteran players who play Project Reality every day who I remember introducing to the game for the first time years ago. If we don't get new players, then we don't get old players... and the game doesn't survive. Everyone should learn to accept that and treat new players with the respect and patience they deserve. We owe that much to the community.

Think of yourself as drill sergeants and we are the new class of grunts at boot camp. We can only be as good as you teach us. Hoorah!

If you don't like how ppl lead their squads, don't complain. Lead a squad yourself and show them how to do it properly! One thing that annoys me more than new players are the ones who criticize the SLs but don't step up to the position themselves.

[R-DEV]K4on wrote:It doesn't help if impatient players and admins are just reporting/warning/kicking the newbies for minor mistakes.
That just leads to frustration and makes people leave instead of getting to know the PR gameplay love.

New players have to get taught and friendly advised how PR works, and how it should be played.
Give people the chance to learn it atleast.

I'll tell you, I agree, but some people are hard to play with.
When you tell someone the server rules and they say "I don't care, I don't care, I don't care.." over you hoping to shut you up and saying that these servers have 'dumb' asset-rules. Then being insulted for knowing how to play the game, and then yelled at when people screw themselves over.

But by and large, the new players are fine in my experience.

fatalsushi83 wrote:If you don't like how ppl lead their squads, don't complain. Lead a squad yourself and show them how to do it properly! One thing that annoys me more than new players are the ones who criticize the SLs but don't step up to the position themselves.

I think what the OP meant was all the other squads were full and there were already 9 squads. It does happen.

I feel bad because i remember kicking you from our server just before you made this post, you weren't necessarily the worst offender you just happened to be the last person to spam after the warning. Sorry on the harshness of this but people were ignoring the warnings and someone had to be kicked for it to stop.

No - delighted.

All my play time is teaching atm.

Got told off for sitting very close to a cache, "but we're all noobs", "ok then". Anyway my elite training team were champing at the bit so we all went for a little patrol, enemy sneaks onto cache and destroys it - that's PR.

Dude just hang on in the game mechanics will sort out the stayers from the influx soon enough.

If it's that upsetting for you have a break for a week and come back when it's calmed down a bit.

Am I the only one who finds posts like the OP very selfish with no true love for the community and the mod?
The "I will resign from playing PR until people leave or learn"-thinking, sounds incredibly selfish..
Veterans should seriously sacrifice a couple of rounds to teach others, basically imo these first two-three weeks shouldn't be about "you" it should be about getting new players to learn and love the game.

I can truly understand where OP is coming from, but as everyone else has said it's way better to just appreciate the work put in by devs to make this more accessible, and help the new players get accustomed to the game.

Those that don't appreciate the experience will leave in no time, whilst those that care will stay and in no time become regulars in the near future. It'll all balance out, but if you don't want to be helpful I suppose you can just not play for a while. Better that than scaring off newcomers.