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The LAT system ATM works really badly for APC vs inf warfare. Somehow people are able to spawn with a new LAT every life and it wrecks gameplay for APCs.

APC have smoke + thermals(for most blufor ones anyway).

And unless it's AT-4, it won't kill APC in one hit anywhere.
What you want is to remove AT-4.

Even the AT4 can't kill most APCs in one shot, sometimes MTLBs. (Not counting VN3s, BRDMs,VABs as APCs)

ComradeHX wrote:What you want is to remove AT-4.

Probably should just remove every Western faction. Seriously is all Western equipment too "OP" for you?

C'mon guys, lets not destroy a topic with all this bs again

TBH there is an insane amount of LATs going around lately. I've finished a round where i've been killed 2 times as an APC gunner from an RPG-7 and then ended up getting RPG'd again but on foot as an AR. You just can't escape it, especially in urban maps. At distance they're not much of a threat.

tankninja1 wrote:Even the AT4 can't kill most APCs in one shot, sometimes MTLBs. (Not counting VN3s, BRDMs,VABs as APCs)



Probably should just remove every Western faction. Seriously is all Western equipment too "OP" for you?

If you hit BTR-60 on the side, it will be heavily damaged.

Might as well remove all the easymode factions with 900rpm rifles, too many noobs attracted toward them.


This isn't about BluFor stuff...

Keep in mind that most APC(especially 14.5mm BTR/BRDM) got significantly better effectiveness against infantry and better survivability overall due to smoke being useful and having HE-I round. 12.7mm MG got splash damage(I didn't notice it but patchnotes should not be lying). What else do you need? Autoaim that prioritizes AT infantry? Invisible barriers that prevents you from going into city?

If your APC has no non-IR smoke but have thermals, you can ask friendlies to throw/launch smoke on the streets for you.

ComradeHX wrote:If you hit BTR-60 on the side, it will be heavily damaged.

Might as well remove all the easymode factions with 900rpm rifles, too many noobs attracted toward them.


This isn't about BluFor stuff...

Keep in mind that most APC(especially 14.5mm BTR/BRDM) got significantly better effectiveness against infantry and better survivability overall due to smoke being useful and having HE-I round. 12.7mm MG got splash damage(I didn't notice it but patchnotes should not be lying). What else do you need? Autoaim that prioritizes AT infantry? Invisible barriers that prevents you from going into city?

If your APC has no non-IR smoke but have thermals, you can ask friendlies to throw/launch smoke on the streets for you.

AT4 oneshots BTR60 anywhere. Just stop, comrade. That's not the point of this thread. Jesus.

This thread is about THE EXCESSIVE AMOUNT OF LATS NOT ABOUT HOW YOU THINK APC GAMEPLAY WORKS. THX.

LATs are fine as they are, if anything, there should be more of them. Do you have any idea how many light anti-tank weapons infantry units carry irl? Easily 5 times as much as you see in a regular PR battle.

Playing as armor is easy enough already.

[R-COM]Hulabi wrote:LATs are fine as they are, if anything, there should be more of them. Do you have any idea how many light anti-tank weapons infantry units carry irl? Easily 5 times as much as you see in a regular PR battle.

Playing as armor is easy enough already.

I agree, you just have to play smart as armor and have infantry support you.. Kind of like how APCs are supposed to be used. The extra LATs helps to deter players who fuck off with their APCs and don't support the infantry.

PatrickLA_CA wrote:https://www.realitymod.com/forum/f26-pr ... t-kit.html

thanks, will bump this in the team forums again.

viirusiiseli wrote:AT4 oneshots BTR60 anywhere. Just stop, comrade. That's not the point of this thread. Jesus.

This thread is about THE EXCESSIVE AMOUNT OF LATS NOT ABOUT HOW YOU THINK APC GAMEPLAY WORKS. THX.

I thought this thread is about complaining about lack of easymode to kill infantry alone as assetwhore.

LAT kit availability was a great and realistic change.
It hurts opfor more, so you can't complain much.

You should ask for faster respawn of APC, not less LAT.

I play almost always infantry and once in a while APCs. And really, as LATs are weak as shit now, there should be more, if not just leave it how it is now. But too much?!?!? Really!? Infantry cant one shot most APCs with ANY LAT (This blufor vs opfor shit is childish).

Ive spent many minutes trying to lead a guy with one AT4 to the side of a Chinese APC on Qwai and shot it right in the said and it just drove off. And on Op Barracuda Ive also had to use 2 AT-4s vs the side of the chinese wheeled APC to kill it.

If you are having trouble surviving fights vs infantry armed with LATs then you are using APCs wrong, sorry. The only time I find my infantry squads to be effective vs APCs is when i take one LAT from another squad and have 2!

Remeber they buffed APCs a few patches ago so they could not be one shotted by LATS (unless its a useless shitbox) for the main purpose so they could now transport and support their infantry.

Conman51 wrote:I play almost always infantry and once in a while APCs. And really, as LATs are weak as shit now, there should be more, if not just leave it how it is now. But too much?!?!? Really!? Infantry cant one shot most APCs with ANY LAT (This blufor vs opfor shit is childish).

Ive spent many minutes trying to lead a guy with one AT4 to the side of a Chinese APC on Qwai and shot it right in the said and it just drove off. And on Op Barracuda Ive also had to use 2 AT-4s vs the side of the chinese wheeled APC to kill it.

If you are having trouble surviving fights vs infantry armed with LATs then you are using APCs wrong, sorry. The only time I find my infantry squads to be effective vs APCs is when i take one LAT from another squad and have 2!

Remeber they buffed APCs a few patches ago so they could not be one shotted by LATS (unless its a useless shitbox) for the main purpose so they could now transport and support their infantry.

Blufor vs Opfor thing is childish because blatantly better weapons are being downplayed because people who only play blufor don't want their easymode nerfed. People started vehemently defending it when I was just stating some facts(that AT-4 hits harder than typical LAT).

Try shooting things in the back with AT-4.
For U.S., you have the option to choose magnified optics + one AT-4 that can kill APC in one hit from back(or side if it's BTR-60...etc.) and also fly much faster/flatter or two LAW that will kill, assuming you hit both, any APC below Namer.

AT-4 is the only LAT I have ever been able to heavily damage a medium APC(from 100%) with by rear shot.

ComradeHX wrote:I thought this thread is about complaining about lack of easymode to kill infantry alone as assetwhore.

LAT kit availability was a great and realistic change.
It hurts opfor more, so you can't complain much.

You should ask for faster respawn of APC, not less LAT.

When are you going to stop trolling these forums?

off-topic: comradehx, really? your way of posting is always aggressive and provoking which annoys probably 99,9% of users.

At-4 one shots btr-60 and mtlb in front armor and tracks scorpion. APCing in muttrah on mec side is tough since at-4 hit gives no mercy or time to RTB, meanwhile rpg-26 gives a chance for rtb

Stay on topic...

viirusiiseli wrote:When are you going to stop trolling these forums?

When facts stop making you mad, you would stop accusing me of trolling.

Jacksonez__ wrote:off-topic: comradehx, really? your way of posting is always aggressive and provoking which annoys probably 99,9% of users.

At-4 one shots btr-60 and mtlb in front armor and tracks scorpion. APCing in muttrah on mec side is tough since at-4 hit gives no mercy or time to RTB, meanwhile rpg-26 gives a chance for rtb

What's so aggressive about stating facts?

It's not like APC are just sitting targets or Allah machines that kill everything every time.

Rifleman AT availability is increased(effectiveness of it, which BluFor has advantage at, isn't) while APC effectiveness against infantry is increased(smoke and HE-I rounds + splash on 12.7mm rounds). A few cases where LAT causes a problem to APC(such as Muttrah) is where OpFor still gets the short end of stick...so BluFor whores can't complain either. This actually upset the balance in Insurgency modes where Iraqi insurgents can't spawn with LAT, so another point to BluFor.

Conclusion: lowering availability of LAT == bad(it will upset the infantry vs. APC "balance", which is already problem in Insurgency).
To counter those few cases where availability of LAT actually causes problem to APC(such as muttrah where MEC APC have subpar armour), either buff those APC up to par or nerf AT-4(the only thing causing those problems).

ComradeHX wrote: To counter those few cases where availability of LAT actually causes problem to APC(such as muttrah where MEC APC have subpar armour), either buff those APC up to par or nerf AT-4(the only thing causing those problems).

You're missing a third option, buff the RPG-26

Preferably IMO by giving the MEC two instead of increasing its damage (The RPG-26 is over 2x lighter than At4)

Acecombatzer0 wrote:You're missing a third option, buff the RPG-26

Preferably IMO by giving the MEC two instead of increasing its damage (The RPG-26 is over 2x lighter than At4)

I'm pretty sure that's in the works.

But two-shot LAT wasn't really a problem since the shooter is dead or APC smoked before reload happened anyway.

Could just increase armour of BTR-60 a little on the front.