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viirusiiseli wrote:Panther and HMMWV up armored have too much armor, especially against 14.5mm and up. It's just a HMMWV with some additional armour, not an APC

Frag Kit 6 is a vehicular armor upgrade kit developed by the U.S. Army Research Laboratory to defeat explosively formed projectiles (EFP), a type of improvised explosive device (IED). It is designed to be added on armored vehicles such as the MRAP and unarmored Humvee. Like the Chobham armor, the exact materials and the way it works is Classified information.

Frag Kit 6 adds about 1,000 lb (450 kg) of extra weight (100 lb per sq ft) and 12 inches (300 mm) of width on each side of the vehicle (2 feet overall) over the previous Frag Kit 5 Humvee armor. The doors are so heavy, troops may need a mechanical assist device to open and close them and so wide drivers may require built-in visual references so they'll know if they can fit the vehicle in narrow spaces. Frag Kit 6 armor also makes MRAP vehicles too wide to legally operate on U.S. highways.

Frag kit 6 technology is integrated into MRAP II vehicles. The purpose behind the MRAP II competition was to field vehicles that don't need the kit added on. Frag kit 6 looks similar to the armored plates used on the British "Mastiff" version of the Force Protection Cougar.[1] It appears to be used extensively on Navistar's MaxxPro Plus vehicle.[2]

14.5?114mm AP / B32 at 200 meters with 911 m/s

tankninja1 wrote:It's a bit more than some armor. From Wikipedia in regards to the HMMWV:

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Frag Kit 6 is a vehicular armor upgrade kit developed by the U.S. Army Research Laboratory to defeat explosively formed projectiles (EFP), a type of improvised explosive device (IED). It is designed to be added on armored vehicles such as the MRAP and unarmored Humvee. Like the Chobham armor, the exact materials and the way it works is Classified information.

Frag Kit 6 adds about 1,000 lb (450 kg) of extra weight (100 lb per sq ft) and 12 inches (300 mm) of width on each side of the vehicle (2 feet overall) over the previous Frag Kit 5 Humvee armor. The doors are so heavy, troops may need a mechanical assist device to open and close them and so wide drivers may require built-in visual references so they'll know if they can fit the vehicle in narrow spaces. Frag Kit 6 armor also makes MRAP vehicles too wide to legally operate on U.S. highways.

Frag kit 6 technology is integrated into MRAP II vehicles. The purpose behind the MRAP II competition was to field vehicles that don't need the kit added on. Frag kit 6 looks similar to the armored plates used on the British "Mastiff" version of the Force Protection Cougar.[1] It appears to be used extensively on Navistar's MaxxPro Plus vehicle.[2]

As for the Panther:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/STANAG_4569

It pays to have armor not originally built in 196*

Jacksonez__ wrote:Well, it has NATO AEP-55 STANAG 4569 (wikipedia) level 1-4 armor. Level 4 armor can actually take 14.5mm AP rounds. Or artillery shell blast at 30 meter close.



Meanwhile Brdm-2 thickest armor is only 14mm front plate. Soviet logic to put shit armor together with big guns.

e:tankninja1 totally ninja'd me

ComradeHX wrote:HMMWV Armor Configurations - HMMWV In Scale
Frag 6 "undesirable" and are mostly just big armoured doors.
It does not look like anything that would stop a RPG or high calibre mg round from going through the front or rear, or most of the sides.

tankninja1 wrote:By looks PR has the frag 6 minus the boxes on the doors. As for armored protection isn't there an armored wall behind the rear seats? The doors are also steel as opposed to OG hmmvs

Acecombatzer0 wrote:I guess everyone here are suddenly experts on armored warfare solely based off articles pulled off the internet...

It's way more complex than that

tankninja1 wrote:Up Armored HMMVS have frag kit 7 installed mostly not 6.

Army Rushes FRAG 7 to the Field | Article | The United States Army

Not much info about its effectiveness but somebody does vaguely, operative word here, mention it is effective against 50 cal here.

Wounded Warrior kicks off new Armor for HMMWV at AM General?s FRAG 7 packaging facility | Company Information | AM General LLC - Mobility solutions for the 21st Century

ComradeHX wrote:I don't see any RPG protection mentioned anywhere and nothing that tells me anything other than possobility of bouncing 50cal, which means nothing.

tankninja1 wrote:But it does. Since PR isn't Arma 2 or 3 the only way of simulating armor is by having hitpoints, or by having rounds be nulled, like tanks aren't damaged by 7.62.

Chuva_RD wrote:this Panther and uparmored Humwee are ridiculous: cost as usual jeep, one have thermal and extra zoom when second can sirvive heavy LAT on engine, Panther silent as vacuum cleaner, Humwee with GMG can easily kill infantry squad after eating a LAT, they moves fastly and carry infantry, that's both the butthurt trucks