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Why did the devs remove Shikotan island and Arctic lion?

Why did they remove the Dutch forces from HP?

It was nice having a big assetmap for theDutch with the F35, boxer and fennek, where the vehicles could unravel their full potential, especially the fennek which is pretty unique in that regard, being able to hide behind a hill or foliage and extend its periscope to spot and laze targets, using it like a true reconnaissance vehicle which is very impractible on dovre.

Also Shikotan island and Arctic lion where both beautiful maps, definitely two of my favorites with HP and i wasn't the only one who liked them.

I am sure the devs had good reasons for the removal, but i hope they will make a comeback eventually.

well the question is why they did not removed Charlies Point, which is one sided as hell...
I was not able to play on 1.2 for a lot, but they were removed probably for bugs issues, or performances ones, as for dutch on Hades Point, its very strange, as it's a fully functional faction

The real question is why havent they removed Quai river yet because if there is an outdated map, that is it.

1. Shikotan was bugged (or the terrain was etc.)
2. Artic was not finished properly
3. ???

3. After being removed from Burning Sand(Rhino said that, IIRC)Brit jets weren't featured at all for quite some time so the decision was made to have the Brits replace the Dutch on Hades.


And I think Shikotan's messy gameplay was one of the reasons why it was removed.

Rabbit stated himself he was unhappy with shikotan. The map has no dods etc. But removing something doesn't mean it won't be added back.

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Frontliner wrote:3. After being removed from Burning Sand(Rhino said that, IIRC)Brit jets weren't featured at all for quite some time so the decision was made to have the Brits replace the Dutch on Hades.


And I think Shikotan's messy gameplay was one of the reasons why it was removed.

actually it was primarily because the dutch lacked a medium APC, which was making it insanely hard to balance the map. In testing the British layout worked really well for both sides so I was keen to bring it back. Yes, the RAF jets deserve extra exposure too, but the above was the main reason.

Side point, teh USA very nearly took burning sands as a map, if someone made the stryker MGS, it would have happened.

Hmmm now that this is mentioned... wasn't there a Fatah faction for a Hamas vs Fatah urban city map some long time ago? I think I saw it a lloooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong time ago on Mod DB.

I miss a lot of the old maps. Qinling was fun and that was removed too. I think a lot of the old small AAS maps like sunset city, seven gates, an ejod should just come back as Skirmish or something.

So what Rudd is saying, is that when the CV90 for the Dutch is finished, we would finally get some Dutch forces on maps again because that huge gap is now filled.

Unlikely we'll re-add dutch to Hades. Brits works fine and was the original plan anyhow. Up to the team and community to work on dutch maps!

I miss qinling so much ;/ That loading music gives me flashbacks to years ago

BTW weren't people planning on replacing the Dutch on some layouts of the updated artic lion with the Germans? Also would it be possible to include the Dutch as a alt layout on some maps (at least when the CV 90 is added)? (I believe it is possible if you still have the original files from what I recall)

No, you'll have issues with the voices unfortunately. Can only setup one voice per team .

Vista wrote:I miss qinling so much ;/ That loading music gives me flashbacks to years ago

Rest in piece Qinling, devs hate teamwork and getting bombed.

theDaarkness wrote:I miss a lot of the old maps. Qinling was fun and that was removed too. I think a lot of the old small AAS maps like sunset city, seven gates, an ejod should just come back as Skirmish or something.

Seven gates wasn't that bad. The mod is already so big, why not throw it in for retro fun at the end of the day?

There's always no-play lists.






RIP Burning Sands INAAS.

Frontliner wrote:3. After being removed from Burning Sand(Rhino said that, IIRC)Brit jets

Brits didn't have jets on burning sands. They had jets on Qinling.



Also, nice addition would be to have the old burning sands with 1x apache vs 2x gazelle. And a lot of tanks Map worked a lot better with more armor.

viirusiiseli wrote:Also, nice addition would be to have the old burning sands with 1x apache vs 2x gazelle. And a lot of tanks Map worked a lot better with more armor.

ya, what was the issue with these maps or should i say what went wrong and why some of these maps and layout got removed ?

how about bringing back some of those old maps and layout....

what happen to Dien Duong ? like nobody miss this ?

You mean Fools Road Vietnam? Can't say I miss it.