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Lugi wrote:Cause nobody wants to play hide and seek between 4 inf squads.

'[R-DEV wrote:Rhino;1847226']Funny how just because the map has a lot more jets than any other map everyone seems to think this...

This thread here lists all the assets for every game mode and layer: https://www.realitymod.com/forum/f196-p ... lands.html

Now taking The Falklands AAS 64 (AAS Standard Layer) here is what we have:

Spoiler for Assets:

GBHMS Invincible4x Sea Harrier FRS1 (Fighter) [5min Delayed Spawn]
1x Harrier GR3 (A - Ground Attack - 2x 500lb Bombs) [5min Spawn]
1x Harrier GR3 (C - Ground Attack - 2x 36, 2" (50mm) Rocket Pods, 72 Total) [5min Spawn]
1x Harrier GR3 (B -Ground Attack - 2x 1000lb LGB) [20min Delayed Spawn]
1x Wessex Helicopters [5min Spawn, max of 2]
- ATC, Radar & AA DefencesAtlantic Conveyor (Destroyable)1x Chinook CH1 [10min Delayed Spawn, max of 3]San Carlos / Bomb Alley2x Logi Trucks [10min Delayed Spawn]
1x Landrover Support [10min Delayed Spawn]
1x Scorpion [30min Delayed Spawn]
- Bunch of AA DefencesGoose Green1x RHIB [10min Delayed Spawn]ArgentinaArgentina2x Mirage IIIEA (Fighter) [5min Spawn]
1x IAI Dagger (Fighter Bomber) [5min Delayed Spawn]
2x A-4C Skyhawk (Ground Attack) [5min Spawn]
1x Mirage IIIEA AS (Anti-Shipping) [10min Delayed Spawn]
- ATC, Radar & AA DefencesPebble Island1x A-1H Skyraider (Ground Attack) [5min Spawn]
- Bunch of AA DefencesStanley3x Logi Trucks [5min Spawn]
2x Transport Trucks [5min Spawn]
1x UH-1H Iroquois [10min Spawn, Max of 2]
1x Hippie Van (Support Jeep) [5min Spawn]
- Bunch of AA DefencesGoose Green1x RP [No Respawn]
1x ZPU-4 AAAMt. Tumbledown1x RP [No Respawn]

Basically to summarise, out of 64 players (32 a side):
Brits will commonly have around 7 players in vehicles, with a max, assuming that all assets have spawned, none have been shot down and the Atlantic Convey has spawned and spawned all of its 3 Chinooks which takes 40mins to do so at the very min assuming that each Chinook was taken off the spawn directly after it spawned, a max of 14 players in vehicles. (excluding passengers, jeeps and trucks, AA guns etc)
Argies will also commonly have around 7 players in vehicles, with a max, assuming that all the assets have spawned and none destroyed a max of 9 players in vehicles (excluding passengers, jeeps and trucks, AA guns etc)


Now lets take Kashan, a standard 4k map I think everyone would agree where many people will claim its good for infantry combat due to the bunkers in the middle of the map.

Spoiler for Assets:

USUS Main4x us_tnk_m1a2 [No Re-Spawn]
2x us_ifv_m2a2 [No Re-Spawn]
3x us_tnk_m1a2 [20min Delayed Spawn]
3x us_ifv_m2a2 [20min Delayed Spawn]
3x us_aav_avenger [10min Delayed Spawn]
2x us_the_uh60 [10min Spawn]
1x us_ahe_kiowa_alt2 [20min Delayed Spawn]
1x us_jet_f16 [20min Delayed Spawn]
1x us_jet_a10a [20min Delayed Spawn]MECMEC Main4x mec_tnk_t72 [No Re-Spawn]
2x mec_tnk_bmp3 [No Re-Spawn]
3x mec_tnk_t72 [20min Delayed Spawn]
2x mec_ifv_bmp3 [20min Delayed Spawn]
3x mec_aav_gopher [10min Delayed Spawn]
1x mec_tow_shturm [20min Delayed Spawn]
2x mec_the_mi17 [10min Spawn]
1x mec_ahe_sa341h [20min Delayed Spawn]
1x mec_jet_mig29 [20min Delayed Spawn]
1x mec_jet_su25a [20min Delayed Spawn]

Note: this is also not bothering to list any of the trucks, jeeps, aa etc in the map like I did with the Falklands...

Basically to summarise, out of 64 players (32 a side):
The US will commonly have around 14 players in vehicles, with a max, assuming that all assets have spawned, none have been destroyed, with a max of 32 players in vehicles. (excluding passengers, jeeps and trucks, AA guns etc)
The MEC will also commonly have around 14 players in vehicles, with a max, assuming that all the assets have spawned and none destroyed, with a max of also 32 players in vehicles (excluding passengers, jeeps and trucks, AA guns etc)


Now so to compare, common amount of players in vehicles:
Falklands GB: 7
Falklands Arg: 7
Kashan US: 14
Kashan MEC: 14

Max amount of players in vehicles (excluding passengers, jeeps, trucks etc):
Falklands GB: 14
Falklands Arg: 9
Kashan US: 32
Kashan MEC: 32

Kashan has double the amount of common players in vehicles, in fact, 1/2 of the server and in its max, waaay over double the amount that the Falklands has, in fact, a slot for every single player in the server as a driver/gunner/pilot...
And basically any other 4km map in PR is pretty much the same story...


Also before anyone comes out with the argument of "The Falklands being 8kms means that the ground combat is waay more spread out", the ground combat is focused into a 3km by 2km area, which is basically the same as a normal 4km map.
Here is the Falklands minimap, with the Kashan minimap overlayed over the NE Falklands where all the ground combat is, and as you can see, and you can see, really nothing different in terms of ground combat area...

[R-DEV]Rhino wrote:I take it you mean 4 Inf squads between both teams? If so, that seriously isn't the case and The Falklands is the most infantry heavy map, with jets on it, other than Soul Rebel.

To quote an old post, and while the assets are a little out of date it is still pretty much the same setup, other than now on AAS64 your not playing both the North and South routes at the same time and only either North or South so even less of the map is in play for ground forces:



I can understand why people don't like the map but it isn't for this reason, since it's invalid

[R-DEV]Rhino wrote:Ye, The Irons only, combined with such a big VD is a big turnoff for many, although some do prefer the no-scope gameplay.

Heavy Death wrote:Btw Rhino, was the western island never fought over?

'[R-DEV wrote:Rhino;2176842']No main forces were ever fighting there, only the odd SF fight etc and POW camps etc, all the main fighting was on the NE island.

Spitfire1.2 wrote:
Nowdays Falklands is rarely being set as the next map (it's not even included in map votes).
Why is that? I do get that from the infantry man's prespective it doesnt have many terrain features.
What do you guys think the problem is? and what can be changed to make it better?

It's sad because so muh work has been done to make this map and noone plays it

Xx_Avenged_Fate_HTID_xX wrote:Same thing for Falklands, lot of empty space, only 2 or 3 INF squads per team, with iron sights. Yeah, I know, realism and all, but past 100 meters you can't see anything, which is just not enjoyable at all.

Possible fixes:
-iron sights swapped for scopes (both sides)
-reduction in the number of jets
-increase in servers' sizes (although this is just not going to happen, possibly ever)
-(can't remember more now, but open to suggestions)

Murphy wrote:CAS might not take that many players, and they may not have laser guides munitions but they are largely uncontested after one side establishes dominance. I believe this is why many players knee jerk reaction is "there isn't enough INF". It is because infantry units exert less influence on the outcome of the round by themselves, and CAS can pour munitions down onto the enemy after they have won the initial battle for control of the air space.

I have had many fun rounds on Falklands but I can understand why the general pub round on this particular map can easily suck. If one team has bad pilots the fight is pretty one sided, even dumb bombs can be super effective at clearing a flag when there are few places for infantry to seek cover.

SShadowFox wrote:Most of your points were dismissed by Rhino on the last page. link

I love Falklands and it's a pity that it isn't played much. It forces you to use tactics, you can't see shit past 100 meters, that's fine, just have an MG or AR laying down some fire while the rest of the squad gets closer to engage properly at closer range.

There's more infantry on this map than the average PR 4km map, and despite the whole map area being quite big, the actual "game area" is the same as in a 4km map.

SShadowFox wrote: It forces you to use tactics