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Saiga-12 in Ru side

Posted: 2018-04-15 09:53
by GAJAN
Why you dont add saiga to russian breacher kit?

Re: Saiga-12 in Ru side

Posted: 2018-04-15 10:04
by FFG
Because its not a russian weapon and isn't in use with the russian army?

Re: Saiga-12 in Ru side

Posted: 2018-04-15 10:21
by GAJAN
FFG wrote:Because its not a russian weapon and isn't in use with the russian army?
Saiga 12 is being made by the Izhmash company which is in Russia and send me pic with Us solider which carries shotgun in middle east
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Re: Saiga-12 in Ru side

Posted: 2018-04-15 10:29
by Mats391
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Re: Saiga-12 in Ru side

Posted: 2018-04-15 10:42
by GAJAN
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Ok but to make Ru breacher balanced with oder add maybe 5 c4s and does that guy wear m16 as a primary or?

Re: Saiga-12 in Ru side

Posted: 2018-04-15 11:12
by FFG
If you have refs, post them.

Re: Saiga-12 in Ru side

Posted: 2018-04-15 12:38
by LEGIYA
Russians dont use shotguns in their standard military equipment.
But, i have an idea.BUT it will require for someone to make the AS "Val" as ALT and SR-3M(Scoped Val) as STD.
Russians use that wierd weapon with intergrated silencer in large numbers and it seems special
enough for a breacher.
I daubt someone will make it, but there might already been made.Idk.

Re: Saiga-12 in Ru side

Posted: 2018-04-15 12:45
by sweedensniiperr
I made a post about how russians should get something to blow up crates and doors with since they don't have a shotgun...

https://www.realitymod.com/forum/showth ... ost2031284

Re: Saiga-12 in Ru side

Posted: 2018-04-15 14:25
by VTRaptor
I'd personally rework this class so it uses AKM as primary weapon and more grenades. It would solve door problem and trade the scope for more nades. AFAIK AKM is still in limited use because of its caliber and its abilities.

Re: Saiga-12 in Ru side

Posted: 2018-04-15 14:37
by GAJAN
LEGIYA wrote:Russians dont use shotguns in their standard military equipment.
But, i have an idea.BUT it will require for someone to make the AS "Val" as ALT and SR-3M(Scoped Val) as STD.
Russians use that wierd weapon with intergrated silencer in large numbers and it seems special
enough for a breacher.
I daubt someone will make it, but there might already been made.Idk.
Asval (or better VSS) maybe for Russian marksman Alt, it is to much special for him.

Re: Saiga-12 in Ru side

Posted: 2018-04-15 18:07
by IronFist
VTRaptor wrote:I'd personally rework this class so it uses AKM as primary weapon and more grenades. It would solve door problem and trade the scope for more nades. AFAIK AKM is still in limited use because of its caliber and its abilities.
I agree, the Russian breacher must have a weapon that packs more punch than the 5.45 AK he has right now in order to balance the lack of a shotgun. Just make the RU Alt breacher class have an AKM/AKMS + more grenades

Re: Saiga-12 in Ru side

Posted: 2018-04-15 19:43
by PatrickLA_CA
How is that going to help open doors?

Re: Saiga-12 in Ru side

Posted: 2018-04-15 19:53
by Raidonrai
PatrickLA_CA wrote:How is that going to help open doors?
7.62 can open doors.

Re: Saiga-12 in Ru side

Posted: 2018-04-15 19:58
by Frontliner
Russians never need to open doors.

Re: Saiga-12 in Ru side

Posted: 2018-04-15 20:57
by IronFist
I don't think opening doors is the problem here (unless it is, correct me), you can destroy doors with C4/Grenades and besides, like Frontliner said, Russians don't have to breach doors.
I think the real issue here is that the Russian breacher doesn't stand a chance in CQB, not with the pea-shooter he currently has. At least with the 7.62, you can still survive an encounter with a shotgun if you're unlucky to stumble upon one. And with the addition of more grenades, the RU breacher wouldl probably be on the same level as its counterparts as it can effectively clean a room of enemies, which is the main role of a shotgun

Re: Saiga-12 in Ru side

Posted: 2018-04-16 11:08
by DesertFox284
IronFist wrote: I think the real issue here is that the Russian breacher doesn't stand a chance in CQB, not with the pea-shooter he currently has.

The same "pea-shooter" that the rest of the Russian faction has as their primary weapon? AK74 is a nice weapon that works very well. RU breacher does not need a shotgun, shotguns aren't that great anyways nor it does need a crappy 7.62 rifle.
(would be nice to have an extra grenade or 2 tho)

Re: Saiga-12 in Ru side

Posted: 2018-04-16 12:20
by agus92
"I think the real issue here is that the Russian breacher doesn't stand a chance in CQB, not with the pea-shooter he currently has."

the russian AK is amazing on CQB... those sights give you a huge edge.

but yeah, an extra nade would be a great addition.

Re: Saiga-12 in Ru side

Posted: 2018-04-16 15:52
by FFG
Russian breacher should just be a BTR-80. ref : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VexXJdkZC9s

Re: Saiga-12 in Ru side

Posted: 2018-04-17 11:21
by GAJAN
Let's focus on idea about balancing between Russian breacher and other breachers...

Re: Saiga-12 in Ru side

Posted: 2018-04-17 18:47
by mectus11
I've mostly played breacher whenever I'm on the Russian side, I personally don't see an issue with balance and I win most of my gun fights even against shotguns because of higher rpm, there's a pause between each shell firing with shotguns which makes it easier to kill breachers that use that as their primary.

Extra grenades would be appreciated though but other than that, but I personally don't see that there is a balance issue between breachers.