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So this isn't a huge deal but I am seriously curious in the logic of this. In current PR multiplayer there isn't 1 map with the US Army Apache anymore, all I keep seeing is Kiowas. The US Army doesn't even use Kiowas anymore lmao. This is almost funny because the Apache is the most advanced attack helicopter in the world, why is it now the only map with the US Apache is Kashan/Khami CO-OP Large LOL. I do see plenty foreign Apaches for some reason though for example:
burning sands
hades peak
vadso city
bijar
There were a lot more but have also taken out.
Thanks for responses.

Balance reasons i guess

US army has alot of CAS options for maps. while other nations have alot less variety overall.

Okay so why isn't the most important US helicopter being used by the US in PR lol

USA uses marine super cobra on many sea maps, you can't replace them with Apache, cuz logic, in roles and functions they're the same. On some land maps USA was replaced by other allied factions. What to put on maps depends on the mappers. Alternatively, you could create your own map, put USA Apache on it and offer to devs.

Apache is represented a lot in game, what does it matter they're from other factions, it isn't taken out from PR

Lilgunz wrote:Okay so why isn't the most important US helicopter being used by the US in PR lol

Because when we sit down to think of map layers for the maps the conversation generally isn't "we need to add the apache because the americans will be upset" Its more or less "what would be interesting gameplay for this map".

I get what you guys are saying but it is kind of weird to see a helicopter no longer used replacing the main helicopter? Its almost the same thing as having the Vietnam CAS huey, instead of the apache.
The apache could easily be put in on Bamyan, Kashan, and Khami.
Also the Kiowa being the helicopter on ramiel is just weird on the historical battle the map tries to replicate. No kiowa's were used there the littlebirds were. Its like putting the t-72 on every russian map instead of the t-90.

I wish we would get the old Kashan layout with 2x Apaches 1x Kiowa vs 2x Mi28 1x EC or Gazelle. I'd rather see less jets in PR than Helicopters. They don't fit in the small maps anyway, especially not fighters.

Always wanted to see Apache on Kokan, but balance ;/

VTRaptor wrote:Always wanted to see Apache on Kokan, but balance ;/

Plot twist: Apache crews would always attempt hover god mode and get shot down way more often than flare diving Kiowa.

PatrickLA_CA wrote:I wish we would get the old Kashan layout with 2x Apaches 1x Kiowa vs 2x Mi28 1x EC or Gazelle. I'd rather see less jets in PR than Helicopters. They don't fit in the small maps anyway, especially not fighters.

I honestly think the standard layout for EVERY 4k map should be 2 Heavy attack heli and 1 light heli, or 3 jets as the alt layout.

Outlawz7 wrote:Plot twist: Apache crews would always attempt hover god mode and get shot down way more often than flare diving Kiowa.

I have played PR long enough to see Heavy attack helicopters in insurgency maps. I do not remember this being a big issue at all, it requires a lot more teamwork than the solo helicopters. Why can we not bring this back to the game?

Graysun wrote:I honestly think the standard layout for EVERY 4k map should be 2 Heavy attack heli and 1 light heli, or 3 jets as the alt layout.

then all 4kms would be the same.

FFG wrote:then all 4kms would be the same.

By that you mean assets would not be gutted like they are now, and there be good balance? The variety is the map itself.

Graysun wrote:By that you mean assets would not be gutted like they are now, and there be good balance? The variety is the map itself.

No because every 4km would have 1 heli layer with the attack helis and one with jets. It would be the same number without rhyme nor reason.

FFG wrote:No because every 4km would have 1 heli layer with the attack helis and one with jets. It would be the same number without rhyme nor reason.

Then make the alt 2 jets 1 heavy heli, attack helicopters are used a lot more to directly support infantry than jets are but there are many more jets being used than heavy attack helicopters in current PR.

There is no such thing as sufficient variety when it comes to assets, what the hell. Leave it as it is.

Brits use apache.
Does it matter if you are British or US from above?

Okay I will put the point really clear. The US army DOES NOT use kiowas so it should not be the helicopter for every US army map. Not sure how hard that is to understand.

Graysun wrote:Okay I will put the point really clear. The US army DOES NOT use kiowas so it should not be the helicopter for every US army map. Not sure how hard that is to understand.

Most PR maps aren't set in specific time periods. Look at fallujah, Everyone Marine has an ACOG. Not realistic. I don't understand why you are getting so cut up over this, like its the end of the world.