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Why are people giving up so fast when shot?!
Posted: 2018-06-25 21:47
by Brotherscompany
So first of all l think l entered in PR scene maybey like 2 years ago so before that time, l cant talk about how it was because l have no clue, but now people are giving up so freaking fast when shot!!!
So l basically have been playing almost every day since 2 years and probably 90% of the time spent in game was defenilly as a medic, that is what gives me pleasure playing as, getting my Squad up, healing people, be that guy that says lm gonna put the needle in your pénis and all that random medic stuff
. But something is becoming more obvious and honestly annoying to me, something that is only getting worst as time goes by and l even dare to say becoming more extreme in maybey the previous 4 months.
-People are giving up as soon as they pratically get shot now, even though they are in my Squad or in range of them being able to hear me talking in Local saying: *DONT GIVE UP MEDIC WILL GET YOU* they give up. Most times l found myself when we get into those firefights were like 5 out of 8 of guys in the Squad die, by the time l ask to the closest guy get my medic kit and revive me l found that those 3 or 4 guys either gave up or have already respawned! Hell 3 days ago l was moving in Marlin in a group of 4, 3 of us die in a safe zone including our SQL, it took me 15 seconds to get the medic kit and start stabing people, only to realise all of them gave up without even calling for medic or realising l could have grabed the kit, the SQL didnt said the to give up, he only said:"Damn…"
What happened to when you died and you waited for the medic to get you up, or you waited for the only guy in a Squad that survived to get the medic kit and get everyone up?
A bit of my rant since l face this problem every day and l start to encounter this more and more but l also wanted to hear it from you especially those guys that avoid the medic kit as a plague . Also this is my first time placing a post on the fóruns so l broke any rule my bad
Re: Why are people giving up so fast when shot?!
Posted: 2018-06-26 00:52
by lakinen
The main problem with medic kit(why no one want to be medic). Is when you play as medic all round you run around and look map for ppl you need to revive.So nobody wants to make it whole round(run and revive),ppl want to shoot on enemy.This problem existed before, creators of BF this was solved by limited time for revive and throwing out the first aid.Unfortunately, this is not possible in this case.
Why are people giving up so fast when shot?!
In 90% case,because of a lack medic on map,ppl give up.Or medic is far away from wounded.
Maybe but it may be a solution,give medic more points.Then ppl who love to have more points,they take medic kit.Or if you give up,your team lose 2 tickets.....
I am one of those who takes it medic kit,but after hours and hours of playing, I gave up no respect for medic in game.
-And about medic kits on Vietnam,Ins maps i will not even write about it(look at the selection of weapons for medic)and everything will be clear to you.
Re: Why are people giving up so fast when shot?!
Posted: 2018-06-26 05:28
by ALADE3N
The main problem in my experience is that some medics only dedicated themselves to their squadmates eventhough you have fallen just near them. Some are micless but those who are good medics are still present in the game, many to mention.
Re: Why are people giving up so fast when shot?!
Posted: 2018-06-27 03:53
by yes
lakinen wrote:The main problem with medic kit(why no one want to be medic). Is when you play as medic all round you run around and look map for ppl you need to revive.So nobody wants to make it whole round(run and revive),ppl want to shoot on enemy.This problem existed before, creators of BF this was solved by limited time for revive and throwing out the first aid.Unfortunately, this is not possible in this case.
How really? I've had medics on my squad and still see many people play and say that they enjoy playing with the kit, most times because of the rewards that they get by reviving or healing, and i like that too, i have never seen someone complain about the lack of presense of the medic in firefights, since the most safe place for them to be is behind some guy with a better offensive role, and also by the fact that squads can be wiped out by some single guy with a AR or something close to that people tend to feel the necessity of using the medic.
The problem comes when most medics like to take a more agressive role with the rest of the squad and follow the more offensive role guys with absolutely no clue of what is about to happen, and when a firefight kicks out they rarely survive for more than 1 minute, members of Squads with a good number of Mobile spawn points close to the firefight just tend to give up quickly since they know that they will arrive to reinforce everyone in the fastest and safest way
Re: Why are people giving up so fast when shot?!
Posted: 2018-06-27 12:53
by ron366
Because this game has become a normal fps shooting game for half of the community.....
in the last few years i find it really really hard to find a squad that actually playing objective and using microphones...
i enter a game and what i see is a map full of lonewolves , frag looking , micless players...
that's way im mainly playing as ins... i give up on finding a good squad before even entering the game..
Re: Why are people giving up so fast when shot?!
Posted: 2018-06-28 06:05
by ALADE3N
yes wrote:How really? I've had medics on my squad and still see many people play and say that they enjoy playing with the kit, most times because of the rewards that they get by reviving or healing, and i like that too, i have never seen someone complain about the lack of presense of the medic in firefights, since the most safe place for them to be is behind some guy with a better offensive role, and also by the fact that squads can be wiped out by some single guy with a AR or something close to that people tend to feel the necessity of using the medic.
The problem comes when most medics like to take a more agressive role with the rest of the squad and follow the more offensive role guys with absolutely no clue of what is about to happen, and when a firefight kicks out they rarely survive for more than 1 minute, members of Squads with a good number of Mobile spawn points close to the firefight just tend to give up quickly since they know that they will arrive to reinforce everyone in the fastest and safest way
My newbie days of playing, i used to be a medic because of low end rig that makes me meh when it comes to firefight because of low fps. Now occasionally i still play medic and play my part to all my teammates no matter how hard the situation is , throw smoke so the enemies cannot see out position but the only bad sides of being a medic reviving someone is, a good skilled enemy who can poach/poke you out, enemy grenade and vehicle thermals
Re: Why are people giving up so fast when shot?!
Posted: 2018-06-28 14:24
by Outlawz7
ron366 wrote:Because this game has become a normal fps shooting game for half of the community.....
This. People give up because they figure they'll get back in the game faster that way.
Re: Why are people giving up so fast when shot?!
Posted: 2018-06-28 14:49
by Arab
A major issue with revives is that the revive minimap icons don't always show. This is unfortunately a vBF2 bug
Re: Why are people giving up so fast when shot?!
Posted: 2018-06-28 19:13
by Avenged_Fate
Unfortunately, people just can't be bothered to wait to be revived.
Not to mention that the lack of coordination and motivation within the squad might be contributing factors to give up before being revived.
Intense firefights inside of buildings/bunkers/caves also might make people just not want to wait.
Re: Why are people giving up so fast when shot?!
Posted: 2018-06-29 00:03
by saXoni
Arab wrote:A major issue with revives is that the revive minimap icons don't always show. This is unfortunately a vBF2 bug
They do when you right click on 'give up'. People just aren't patient enough anymore.
Re: Why are people giving up so fast when shot?!
Posted: 2018-06-29 20:22
by [508th_PIR] Grey
lakinen wrote:Maybe but it may be a solution,give medic more points.Then ppl who love to have more points,they take medic kit.
Maybe something has changed, but I used to get top score all of the time playing as medic, with zero kills. Probably not the solution.
Re: Why are people giving up so fast when shot?!
Posted: 2018-07-04 00:44
by Brotherscompany
Outlawz7 wrote:This. People give up because they figure they'll get back in the game faster that way.
Maybey add like 5-10s to respawn if you give under 20/30s (you guys are the devs lm sure you will have a ideia of what you want ingame)?
I mean l know there is like this cooldown on kit selection if you gave up as soon as shot but that doesnt seem to detoriate people from my experience. From my experience when you end suiciding those extra 5s seem to take forever to pass. If this was well explained to players l think it could work and it would force people not to give up so fast without messing with tickets
Re: Why are people giving up so fast when shot?!
Posted: 2018-07-04 00:48
by Brotherscompany
'[508th_PIR wrote: Grey;2189092']Maybe something has changed, but I used to get top score all of the time playing as medic, with zero kills. Probably not the solution.
Defenilly , medics are already well rewarded. A person who dedicates himself has a medic or that does purelly his job for exemple in a urban map or even in a regular map can finish top 10 no problem. There were some rounds that l managed to get 1st place without taking notion by only being medic
Re: Why are people giving up so fast when shot?!
Posted: 2018-07-04 01:00
by Brotherscompany
lakinen wrote:
-And about medic kits on Vietnam,Ins maps i will not even write about it(look at the selection of weapons for medic)and everything will be clear to you.
Honestly this might not be especially true for all of us medics. The treat to play as medic especially in those maps because there are a variety of weapons to choose from instead of the standart issue rifle! They are in no question inferior (not every time tough, l can do better with a Siminov than a AKM) but hosnestly never did l felt cheated because of those weapons
l would even argue that it has a good effect because you cant realibily be a front soldier anymore and it forces to either 1) adapt your aproach 2) stay in the back a tiny bit not to get shot . That just forces the medic to be more of a support role so l´d argue that is extremelly usefull
Re: Why are people giving up so fast when shot?!
Posted: 2018-07-04 01:08
by Brotherscompany
Avenged_Fate;2189062 wrote:Unfortunately, people just can't be bothered to wait to be revived.
Not to mention that the lack of coordination and motivation within the squad might be contributing factors to give up before being revived.
Intense firefights inside of buildings/bunkers/caves also might make people just not want to wait.[/QUOTE
Defenilly agree with you mano
l think also what has been said here its being forgotten its a tacticall game contributes to that.
Its really annoying telling your SQ not to give only to find out 3 of them spawned even though you gave them orders not to
Re: Why are people giving up so fast when shot?!
Posted: 2018-07-04 01:21
by Brotherscompany
HeneraLuna wrote:The main problem in my experience is that some medics only dedicated themselves to their squadmates eventhough you have fallen just near them. Some are micless but those who are good medics are still present in the game, many to mention.
Yhe… that could be have one of the things that can change a player mentality over time. But to be honest in theory everyone should have their dedicated medic because they are in a SQ.
One can get seperated from his SQ or fall behind due to the fact of trying to get everyone, and those of us who SQL know how weird it is seing your medics falling of behind or having to wait for them to regroup or even worse, not having the medic with you when needed because l was healling random people. In some cases one cannot hesitate leaving people behind to keep up with the tactics
That problem has to be adressed by sitionational awareness of medics and the knowlodge if there are other medics around (not from your SQ).
But l defenilly understand your point there!
Re: Why are people giving up so fast when shot?!
Posted: 2018-07-04 09:05
by iMpuLse187
saXoni wrote:They do when you right click on 'give up'. People just aren't patient enough anymore.
Yeah, it's like people just want to get right in and fight. I haven't played in a while but it looked like people didn't care about saving tickets like it used to be.
Re: Why are people giving up so fast when shot?!
Posted: 2018-07-04 13:25
by PatrickLA_CA
This is mostly down to the squad leaders I believe. A good squad leader will not allow his squad members to give up when it is not necessary. At least that's my experience.
Re: Why are people giving up so fast when shot?!
Posted: 2018-07-04 19:30
by X-Alt
iMpuLse187 wrote:Yeah, it's like people just want to get right in and fight. I haven't played in a while but it looked like people didn't care about saving tickets like it used to be.
People that pull their own weight and kill more than die can afford to give up.
People that can't get kills should wait for a medic. It's that simple
Re: Why are people giving up so fast when shot?!
Posted: 2018-07-05 21:49
by saXoni
X-Alt wrote:People that pull their own weight and kill more than die can afford to give up.
People that can't get kills should wait for a medic. It's that simple
Everyone should wait for medic. It's that simple.