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I'm going too say it, MEC could really do with an alternate, more AK/Soviet orientated infantry load-out. They already have the woodland camo but fighting out the Syrian civil war with scoped G3's and MG3's galore just feels really immersion breaking. Don't get me wrong either im not demanding it, I'll be willing to make the changes myself with a bit of guidance in the right direction (I've changed kit load-outs in BF2 waaay back before if that helps).

An alternate MEC loadout could also offer a fresh change for a number of current maps, namely ones where replacing the scoped G3 wouldn't be balance altering too much or where the MEC is meant to represent more second line type units.
Off the top of my head: Gaza AAS ALT (urban and close), Asad Khal AAS ALT (another tight close range map), Bijar canyons AAS (theres no scopes anyway), Jabal al Burj AAS ALT (in place of FSA). It could also give a more suitable variation for those daring enough to use the MEC as an Insurgent/Asymmetric opponent.

So what steps do I need to make to get this happening, or is there a legitimate reason why I shouldn't? Just too clarify im just talking about giving the MEC alternative equipment loadouts of weapons that already exist in game, nothing far fetched or overly optimistic before I get shot down for another "what if" faction pipe dream.

They are fictional. There is no MEC irl. So the immersion break therealready, and they could have any rifle. But a unscoped variant of the factiion like there is marines and us army unscoped would be epic.

Added ironsight variants of MEC and IDF factions for usage on maps where they face one another.

1.5.0.0 Update

I was theorycrafting in my head a bit, and while I overall like the proposal of a MEC sub-faction, I heavily, heavily despise giving yet another faction AKs. While it maybe more realistic overall, we already do have a faction that uses Russian vehicles in conjection with Russian small arms. Actually, we have two that do. I don't see the point in doing this, there really isn't one.

I thus propose an alternative: Looking at it, is basically "outdated" German small arms in conjunction with Russian vehicles. Why update the small arms portion to a more modern loadout of NATO rifles, which are better suited for CQB than the G3 would be and leave the vehicles Russian?

There is the Syrian army in the pipeline that is intended for these Syrian maps. They will have an assortment of ak rifles instead of the g3.
https://www.realitymod.com/forum/showth ... p?t=127720

SucharMistrz wrote:1.5.0.0 Update

I already know that, the idea was to spice the MEC up from just having to stick with G3's and MG3's, only in a few maps anyway. Mec is probably the most played conventional OPFOR faction next too the Russians in so any variation is a godsend in my book.

camo wrote:There is the Syrian army in the pipeline that is intended for these Syrian maps. They will have an assortment of ak rifles instead of the g3.
https://www.realitymod.com/forum/showth ... p?t=127720

That sounds awesome but this was over 4 years ago, is their actually any confirmation thats actually happening?

I'm all up for alternate weapons but WHY THE AKS? Use something more fun instead

waldov wrote:That sounds awesome but this was over 4 years ago, is their actually any confirmation thats actually happening?

The way this works is that it's going to happen unless they confirm it isn't. So for all intents and purposes, the SAA faction is still coming eventually.

SShadowFox wrote:The way this works is that it's going to happen unless they confirm it isn't. So for all intents and purposes, the SAA faction is still coming eventually.

This basically.

I actually like G3 (and MG3) and want them to stay, though I see many people complaining about them. If anything needs a change, it could be the scope with possible back up sights. Could also try HK33 because it's pretty similiar.

Anyway, there's not many good alternatives for that weapon. Middle East Coalition is a fictional faction and is supposedly made of only arab and/or muslim nations. Currently the countries considered as MEC members are Iraq (maps like Kashan, Khami), Syria(Sbeneh, Bijar(?)) Afghanistan(Shahadah, Bamyan) and Iran (because of US tensions, common vehicles and weapons). But if we treat whole middle east countries as one, united military coalition, then it could also be Saudi Arabia, United Arab Emirates, Qatar, Kuwait, Jordan, Yemen, Oman, Lebanon and even Pakistan and Egypt. (plus free palestine eggz dee)

With these countries included there are still only few alternatives - that being not AK or AR. So, there are few weapons in use in larger quantities that are somewhat different.

Oman uses INSAS, but oman is a small +only they use that rifle in that area.
Saudi Arabian army uses Steyr Aug as their main rifle and national guard recieved 55000 FN F2000
Kh2002 or Fateh rifle, though not in use, but could be primary weapon for whole MEC since it is fictional anyways and Iran is now connsidered the biggest boogeyman of the middle east
And there's HK33 which is evolution of G3 and could fit if we want to consider the fact, that MEC isn't stuck in the 90's, then HK33, Kh2002 or Fateh which is a big question are the best options.

That being said, G3 is still amongst most popular guns there such as AK and AR. IMO MEC is just a good placeholder faction for maps meant for possible future middle east factions and since it's fictional - sticking to real life counterpart is weird goal to say the least. What is also an option is making few different loadouds featuring different weapons, but sticking to current uniforms and vehicles. But if i follow the mood correctly - there's demand for something else than AK and M16/M4, so there has to be some flexibility in that regard.

Kashan and Bijar are places in Iran, Shahadah is supposed to be Iraq.

I haven't verified that, as Israelis or US fighting ground war on Iranian soil would be too fictional for that fiction. By the faction and terrain on Bijar i was thinking it was something-Golan Heights and Kashan with its weapon bunkers(c h e m i c a l w e a p o n s) burning oil rigs and open desert resembled invasion of Iraq.

But that is off the topic.

What is interesting about HK33 is that it uses 5.56 and aside single and full auto modes, it can also feature 3-round burst(though i doubt anyone would use it, would be interesting to see us vs mec both having only burst mode nontheless). Also the variation of magazines being used (25, 30 and 40) is a good thing for having different loadouds, supported by the fact it's a fictional faction. It can also be westernized and have that modern look w/some new fancy scope and we're good to go, MEC army: evolution.

"And there's HK33 which is evolution of G3 and could fit if we want to consider the fact, that MEC isn't stuck in the 90's, then HK33, Kh2002 or Fateh which is a big question are the best options."

This is really the gold here, i think KH-2002 is been told few years ago from someone here in the community modding forum, the thread must be long dead by now. HK33? Personally agree with VTRaptor here, 5.56mm is probably the best to balance gameplay, if it exist though...

Not sure about Fateh rifle here, seems too modern and young to be in PR universe..


Aside from ALT kits without G3's, maybe we can change the AR kit as well, like HK21 series (a G3-based AR/machine gun). MG3 should stay in Machine Gunner kit, with the scoped/iron sight variations there.

For those who doesn't know:

- HK11E: An IAR version chambered in 7.62x51mm NATO, magazine fed

- HK13E: An IAR version chambered in 5.56x45mm NATO, magazine fed

- HK21E: A GPMG version chambered in 7.62x51mm NATO, belt-fed w/h box/drum

- HK23E: A LMG version chambered in 5.56x45mm NATO, belt-fed w/h box/drum


Just ideas though, all above are in E since it's latest one available. I would say the HK23E would fit the AR kit IMO (like on Euro Force of vBF2)

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Outlawz7 wrote:This basically.

Well, your team introduced green uniforms for Sbeneh MEC but the reason for never adding AKs to complete the look was because it would supposedly defeat the purpose of the real SAA. Now it's been 3 years since that change and they're still not here, just change the kits already.

I always had this idea of creating 3 MEC sub-factions, much like the US have their Army and Marines.

So for example you have three sub-factions:

MEC Army
MEC Marine Corps
MEC Republican Guard

You outfit the army with a bunch of AK type of weapons to be uses on maps like Sbeneh, Gaza and Burning Sands. Outfitted like some conscript army.

The Marine Corps will be outfitted like the MEC faction now. Using mostly amphibious vehicles. Having slightly altered uniforms.

The Republican Guard will be using the most fancy stuff that is being used in the Middle East nowadays.

Of course these are just thoughts. Just thought of sharing them with everyone.

Pronck wrote:I always had this idea of creating 3 MEC sub-factions, much like the US have their Army and Marines.

So for example you have three sub-factions:

MEC Army
MEC Marine Corps
MEC Republican Guard

You outfit the army with a bunch of AK type of weapons to be uses on maps like Sbeneh, Gaza and Burning Sands. Outfitted like some conscript army.

The Marine Corps will be outfitted like the MEC faction now. Using mostly amphibious vehicles. Having slightly altered uniforms.

The Republican Guard will be using the most fancy stuff that is being used in the Middle East nowadays.

Of course these are just thoughts. Just thought of sharing them with everyone.

I like this. +1

Indeed, it is a suggestion that shouldn't require all that much work and will bring some more variables into the game. Hopefully I can get some time to finish my Panther G so I can make a Karrar MBT for the MEC Republican Guard outfit.

MEC is no longer fictional, sort of if you look at Yemeni civil war and Suadi intervention along with their allies which are now coalition backing government forces against the opposition.

Although the MEC in PR seems to be inspired by Iran, Iraq and Syria more than Saudi Arabia and the other Gulf States such as UAE, Qatar, Bahrain and Oman.

OrangeFr3ak wrote:Although the MEC in PR seems to be inspired by Iran, Iraq and Syria more than Saudi Arabia and the other Gulf States such as UAE, Qatar, Bahrain and Oman.

MEC's language is Arabic, right? Iran isn't Arabic nor is Syrian, don't think Iraqi's either.

Its stupid that MEC is all G3 when no AR's and or AK's.