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Project Reality has been monopolized by the HOG clan for North America. They are the judge, jury and executioner for almost all of PRs current players. They take advantage of this and its not right. Many people, including myself, have been banned for unjust reasons like "offending" admins. You can see for yourself at the ban appeal section on HOGs website. It needs to stop. We need another server where people don't have to play by HOGs rules and don't have to fear for getting banned because we upset the wrong admin. This is my favorite game and it bothers me that one group of people run it how they want to, and not for the better.

Please PR gods, we need you.

R. Lee Ermey wrote:Project Reality has been monopolized by the HOG clan for North America. They are the judge, jury and executioner for almost all of PRs current players. They take advantage of this and its not right. Many people, including myself, have been banned for unjust reasons like "offending" admins. You can see for yourself at the ban appeal section on HOGs website. It needs to stop. We need another server where people don't have to play by HOGs rules and don't have to fear for getting banned because we upset the wrong admin. This is my favorite game and it bothers me that one group of people run it how they want to, and not for the better.

Please PR gods, we need you.

Being the best server (Not inclusive of the people managing it.) on pr is what keeps HOG alive you know. I don't play on any other server because my ping is too high, loads of others can relate. FCV was good aswell, but what happened is that whenever its active it either gets ddos and everyone leaves to join or HOG. Or All the boomers leave and seed HOG because they don't like the map played. You can't beat a Monopoly, there is no rule in the server license that says you have to turn your server off after being the only active ENGLISH server for weeks/months and putting such a rule in will just kill the player base in the long run.

I'm not banned on the server yet, but I know loads of admins will love to ban me. I just don't give trouble so theres little to no reason for such punishment. And because of that I honestly lost most if not all motivation to play PR because its the same server with the same abusive admins, putting the same maps, every 12 hours (I'm not even kinding on this one I could leave on gronzy at 6pm and come back at 6am and see gronzy being played again), they don't even vary the layouts, its always STD STD STD STD, and players to do layout votes is bad too because there are layouts which are unplayable based on maps and most of the playerbase don't even know the difference between the layouts.


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HOG is also one of the servers that the most advice is given too, but little or none is taken seriously. The server needs to redo its admin team, its a massive issue since the majority of their admins choose to be unprofessional, immature, disrespectfully little kids than grown adults that they advertise to be. (Server requires 18+ to admin)

Those reasons you say are why I came here. I hope that a developer or someone with pull who loves this game sees this and is inspired to do something about it. I think that's our last hope. I want to make a server, but idk anything about that and I know of the ddos issues and want to learn how to counter them, if there is a way. This is my favorite game and its almost heartbreaking to see it like it is and being completely powerless over it.

I'm not religious, but I pray to the PR gods that one day

Project Reality will be great again

If you have any feedback for HOG, you can leave that in their feedback thread and if you have complaints about them breaking server license you can PM Mineral or me.

Other than that, you are free to make your own server. I will leave this thread open in case others want to join you making a new server. If there will be any more accusations on how any server ruins PR, it will be locked and infractions handed out.

R. Lee Ermey wrote:Project Reality has been monopolized by the HOG clan for North America. They are the judge, jury and executioner for almost all of PRs current players. They take advantage of this and its not right. Many people, including myself, have been banned for unjust reasons like "offending" admins. You can see for yourself at the ban appeal section on HOGs website.

You said the bad racist word and thats why you got banned. I know you are new but dont let people goad you into saying the bad words. 1 month ban. Its same on any server. If people are allowed to say racist words it just increases the toxic energy from those ignorant people and everyone will say it. Its ironic, ignorant angry people screaming a word that the definition of was originally ignorance at people they think are ignorant or stupid. It doesnt matter if it was a joke.

In the mean time you can learn to be a better player by reading the manual on launcher, learning skills like "How to Play Dead" for kills off the Squad Teamwork playlist for training people or reading the rules for each server. The rules differ but follow the same subjects or just follow universal rules against racist words.

Here is the Squad Teamwork playlist video i made today on playing dead, i knifed 3 guys and almost had 4. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfFJ2AK ... gi&index=5

More servers is not really the answer. PR used to have many more servers, but the majority sat empty safe for maybe events thrown by the hosts. What you will end up with is more people footing the bill to host a server that players will never join because HOG/Whatever Popular Server with active seeders. When you create a server you need to create a community with it otherwise you're likely just going to waste money.

Murphy wrote:More servers is not really the answer. PR used to have many more servers, but the majority sat empty safe for maybe events thrown by the hosts. What you will end up with is more people footing the bill to host a server that players will never join because HOG/Whatever Popular Server with active seeders. When you create a server you need to create a community with it otherwise you're likely just going to waste money.

I was never BANNED from any server on Project reality nor on HOG. But it is true that the PRTA server had players very recently. And there is no server for Europe.

Esunmanta wrote:I was never BANNED from any server on Project reality nor on HOG. But it is true that the PRTA server had players very recently. And there is no server for Europe.

I would like more evened out ping for our European and Asian players... Centralized artic based server hosting? Anybody? We could put a universal server room in the middle of the already melting artic and use the ice as a heat sink. What is PRID? Thats a new server. We need more players, lots of people think this game isnt for them cause they havent learned or used anything applicable from other games. More players is answer.

Grump/Gump.45 wrote:I would like more evened out ping for our European and Asian players... Centralized artic based server hosting? Anybody? We could put a universal server room in the middle of the already melting artic and use the ice as a heat sink. What is PRID? Thats a new server. We need more players, lots of people think this game isnt for them cause they havent learned or used anything applicable from other games. More players is answer.

Do you want new players? Okay, well think. I am new, I enter the game and HOG is full (because Europeans play there because they do not have a server), I can play with Russians or Brazilians. What I do? I try to play on those servers without being able to communicate which is going to leave me a terrible experience or I close the game, because I am new and I do not know the autodeploy trick to enter HOG.

Now there is a European one that is starting. Yesterday 30 players at 1:00 a.m. It's a matter of people knowing about his existence. I will seed this server. That's the best thing you can do to bring in new players.

Yeah, but then you get ddossed

More servers wont fix anything.

You don't have or at least time it was tried, you dont have enough player base to fill 2 servers. At most you get 60-70 players on the second one which feel like a half of PR match, and then players stop seeding because it costs time to get the server to that point and have a inferior experience than waiting 15min to join HOG.

And then there are the attacks which pretty much fucked every single server. TBH remove HOG and you are basically killing PR and its hopes for the future unless the situation changes.

Brotherscompany wrote:More servers wont fix anything.

You don't have or at least time it was tried, you dont have enough player base to fill 2 servers. At most you get 60-70 players on the second one which feel like a half of PR match, and then players stop seeding because it costs time to get the server to that point and have a inferior experience than waiting 15min to join HOG.

And then there are the attacks which pretty much fucked every single server. TBH remove HOG and you are basically killing PR and its hopes for the future unless the situation changes.

With 60/70 players the players do not leave the server. I, like many others, had rarely entered HOG until this situation.

I'd rather play with a good pin 30 vs 30 than 50 vs 50 with a bad pin.

Esunmanta wrote:With 60/70 players the players do not leave the server. I, like many others, had rarely entered HOG until this situation.

I'd rather play with a good pin 30 vs 30 than 50 vs 50 with a bad pin.

Im really curious to meet the people you play with.

With 60/70 players l myself would eventually quit a server that l seeded, me and almost every PR player and that is what tends to happen. I guarantee you after the round is over the server drops to 40/50 and then it depops.

People dont care about ping, at least not as much to sacrifice the experince on playing on lower ping servers, we are not playing CS or some E Sport game. There are there are people playing the game with 200 ping, for me as long it doesn't go pass 150 shouldn't impact the gameplay that much. I see that you live in Spain l assume you play with a better ping than l do

Brotherscompany wrote:Im really curious to meet the people you play with.

With 60/70 players l myself would eventually quit a server that l seeded, me and almost every PR player and that is what tends to happen. I guarantee you after the round is over the server drops to 40/50 and then it depops.

People dont care about ping, at least not as much to sacrifice the experince on playing on lower ping servers, we are not playing CS or some E Sport game. There are there are people playing the game with 200 ping, for me as long it doesn't go pass 150 shouldn't impact the gameplay that much. I see that you live in Spain l assume you play with a better ping than l do

I would like to clarify that I have nothing against HOG, I love it, but I am from Europe.

Well, I don't think so. When it's 7:00 p.m. and you're on a 30 vs 30 server, you held on and it was filling up. At 1:00 (1 a.m.) you obviously leave. Most players play at that time in Europe. This is why I hardly ever enter HOG. I didn't need it. That is the question. We need a server for Europe.

The pin is noticeable in close encounters or when running dodging bullets. Sometimes I die behind the corner. I play HOG I have no choice but pin matters in some situations.

The key is that new people don't know the autodeploy trick (in server info) and there is only one full server all the time.

Esunmanta wrote: Well, I don't think so. When it's 7:00 p.m. and you're on a 30 vs 30 server, you held on and it was filling up. At 1:00 (1 a.m.) you obviously leave. Most players play at that time in Europe. This is why I hardly ever enter HOG. I didn't need it. That is the question. We need a server for Europe.

This is going to be quite some wall of text (gonna pull a GRUMP here) this is a complex topic that cant be replied in a few lines, its basically a resume of current situation of PR... (so pls have the patience to read it [took me more than 1h to write it ])


Just for some background to support my claims.
l have been involved in seeding the last 2 years trying to get other server up while HOG was either full or the n*1 populated server. 1 year and 2 months of that time l was actually active seeding almost every single day, the remaining it was me just AFK seeding and checking PR SPY several times per day almost everyday.
lm a Admin in almost every server, and l used to stay around from the EU afternoon till 10P-2AM, so I have some experience in knowing how players behave and what are the patterns on EU time (I usually predict on how stuff is going to turn out, even in cases when other people are disagreeing with me)

For starters if HOG (or any other server really) is up you will have a hard time having another server up. Its going to be hard on retaining the population and sometimes it just fails on getting players to join a secondary server let alone seed it, which will result on a depop most often than not a decrease on the frequency that the server goes up over time. That has been the case for years, last time we were able to do that was after much effort was after patch 1.6 which caused a huge influx of players. Some background on the subject (keep in my mind almost the same happened on week-ends)

• PRE 1.6 PRTA: tried to seed with HOG always being up, sometimes we were able to do so and we had a full server for 2-3 rounds till 9.30PM-10PM GMT (this hour is when the depop will start), this when we still had a lot of clans and veterans around that joined PRTA not to play on HOG (compared to today). With time that became harder and harder to do and server only seeded few times per month, we just hit those 30vs30 rounds in peak hours, people stopped joining/seeding because it wasnt worth it/they didnt want to waste their time to play on those conditions when they could join HOG and we just stopped trying over time

• SSG/U777: had a huge number of seeders, they would hit 20-30 players a bit more sometimes they would catch more players (up to 60) but most often they failed and the server would die out.

• FCV:they actually pulled it off most often than not, but that was because BlueDrake was behind it, and a shit ton of people that disliked HOG and it was the only Alternative to a NA server.

• Gamma Group: we were able to seed with the help of FCV but on the long term, it was basically the "same" pattern that happened with PRTA

• Boomer server: unfortunately cant make it past 50-70 players, this by calling out veterans on the premise of higher gameplay quality that made a lot of veterans quit the game (within other reasons).

For you to even be able to seed or have a server reaching those numbers you need:

• The other primary server consistently full (or have it depop in favor of yours, big surprise its a rare thing), otherwise players wont join yours (so a big player base, which we dont have [although there has been a new player influx])

• Dedicated and engaged community, most often than not they need a reason to seed. Hating HOG over the last years has been the most effective way on rallying people (and that alone is no longer enough since a lot of veterans left the game and that sentiment has seemed to have faded a bit)

• Dedicated Admin team whiling to put more hours than you can even imagine to making sure that: the seed starts a few hours before; you set the correct maps and control the server hours [Shout out for you guys, the real silent PR MVPs]. I promise you, only a handful of people have that availability or patience, it burns you out over time.

• Luck of the PR gods in making another server crash. Realistically that is how 95% how other servers pooped up to a point where it was basically the only way, and that is almost out of the question since server stability was improved A LOT

If all of this indeed works, and you always hit around 60-70 players, l assure over time people will stop seeding or joining. You can only effectively seed on a few overplayed seeding maps. You can only play on a few normal maps with that population without it feeling a dead round. With time I assure players will get sick of the same maps (this already happens on normal map rotation) or not having that PR kick on low pop or not being able to use Assets.This without mentioning how easy it is to depop a server due to poor map selection. That is simply how PR players mind work, and this was seen in Veterans with their with political (server) views and reasons behind their acts, the regular player wont act differently based on Ping or because its a EU server, he never did.

And this is going to be a Topic where we stay quiet and dont explicitly talk about it
If you are luck to get all of this working, good luck surviving the current attacks situation. It will crash your server, people will stop seeding your server because its going to crash and play on server they know wont crash, not to mention how expensive it is to afford protection. That is the reason you saw so many server disappearing and we have HOG 24/7.


TLDR:I would love to be proven wrong but adding more servers wont fix anything based on the current situation as well as for the requirements for a consistent successful server, even if your perfect server is on 30vs30 . Its not as easy as simply creating servers and voila (as completely explained in my text) , several years with a larger and more dedicated player base have proved this, I have a very hard time believing this one occurrence will prove me wrong.

Esunmanta wrote: The key is that new people don't know the autodeploy trick (in server info) and there is only one full server all the time.

Auto Deploy is completely bugged for some people and wont work. For me it fails me to actually deploy on the server 50% of the time.

If you think its though to get on a server as a regular player, you should have played on server with reserved seats.

Brotherscompany wrote:This is going to be quite some wall of text (gonna pull a GRUMP here) this is a complex topic that cant be replied in a few lines, its basically a resume of current situation of PR... (so pls have the patience to read it [took me more than 1h to write it ])


Just for some background to support my claims.
l have been involved in seeding the last 2 years trying to get other server up while HOG was either full or the n*1 populated server. 1 year and 2 months of that time l was actually active seeding almost every single day, the remaining it was me just AFK seeding and checking PR SPY several times per day almost everyday.
lm a Admin in almost every server, and l used to stay around from the EU afternoon till 10P-2AM, so I have some experience in knowing how players behave and what are the patterns on EU time (I usually predict on how stuff is going to turn out, even in cases when other people are disagreeing with me)

For starters if HOG (or any other server really) is up you will have a hard time having another server up. Its going to be hard on retaining the population and sometimes it just fails on getting players to join a secondary server let alone seed it, which will result on a depop most often than not a decrease on the frequency that the server goes up over time. That has been the case for years, last time we were able to do that was after much effort was after patch 1.6 which caused a huge influx of players. Some background on the subject (keep in my mind almost the same happened on week-ends)

• PRE 1.6 PRTA: tried to seed with HOG always being up, sometimes we were able to do so and we had a full server for 2-3 rounds till 9.30PM-10PM GMT (this hour is when the depop will start), this when we still had a lot of clans and veterans around that joined PRTA not to play on HOG (compared to today). With time that became harder and harder to do and server only seeded few times per month, we just hit those 30vs30 rounds in peak hours, people stopped joining/seeding because it wasnt worth it/they didnt want to waste their time to play on those conditions when they could join HOG and we just stopped trying over time

• SSG/U777: had a huge number of seeders, they would hit 20-30 players a bit more sometimes they would catch more players (up to 60) but most often they failed and the server would die out.

• FCV:they actually pulled it off most often than not, but that was because BlueDrake was behind it, and a shit ton of people that disliked HOG and it was the only Alternative to a NA server.

• Gamma Group: we were able to seed with the help of FCV but on the long term, it was basically the "same" pattern that happened with PRTA

• Boomer server: unfortunately cant make it past 50-70 players, this by calling out veterans on the premise of higher gameplay quality that made a lot of veterans quit the game (within other reasons).

For you to even be able to seed or have a server reaching those numbers you need:

• The other primary server consistently full (or have it depop in favor of yours, big surprise its a rare thing), otherwise players wont join yours (so a big player base, which we dont have [although there has been a new player influx])

• Dedicated and engaged community, most often than not they need a reason to seed. Hating HOG over the last years has been the most effective way on rallying people (and that alone is no longer enough since a lot of veterans left the game and that sentiment has seemed to have faded a bit)

• Dedicated Admin team whiling to put more hours than you can even imagine to making sure that: the seed starts a few hours before; you set the correct maps and control the server hours [Shout out for you guys, the real silent PR MVPs]. I promise you, only a handful of people have that availability or patience, it burns you out over time.

• Luck of the PR gods in making another server crash. Realistically that is how 95% how other servers pooped up to a point where it was basically the only way, and that is almost out of the question since server stability was improved A LOT

If all of this indeed works, and you always hit around 60-70 players, l assure over time people will stop seeding or joining. You can only effectively seed on a few overplayed seeding maps. You can only play on a few normal maps with that population without it feeling a dead round. With time I assure players will get sick of the same maps (this already happens on normal map rotation) or not having that PR kick on low pop or not being able to use Assets.This without mentioning how easy it is to depop a server due to poor map selection. That is simply how PR players mind work, and this was seen in Veterans with their with political (server) views and reasons behind their acts, the regular player wont act differently based on Ping or because its a EU server, he never did.

And this is going to be a Topic where we stay quiet and dont explicitly talk about it
If you are luck to get all of this working, good luck surviving the current attacks situation. It will crash your server, people will stop seeding your server because its going to crash and play on server they know wont crash, not to mention how expensive it is to afford protection. That is the reason you saw so many server disappearing.


TLDR:I would love to be proven wrong but adding more servers wont fix anything based on the current situation as well as for the requirements for a consistent successful server, even if your perfect server is on 30vs30 . Its not as easy as simply creating servers and voila (as completely explained in my text) , several years with a larger and more dedicated player base have proved this, I have a very hard time believing this one occurrence will prove me wrong.

Thank you very much for the reply. At no point I did say it was easy. The optimal situation is the one we had with PRTA (I remember as a solid server with long time up ¿am I wrong?). And we could have a server like that. I still think that the situation with the servers does not favor the arrival of new players. I already explained why.

Put yourself in the shoes of a new player. I think it's easier to play with a full server and another with 60 players than with a single full server that you don't know how to enter. Because in the other servers people do not speak English and this is a team and communication game. Although this new player enter the Russian or Latin server, the experience would not be good. If there was a system like in squad that automatically queues you, without the autodeploy trick I wouldn't say this.

Esunmanta wrote:the autodeploy trick to enter HOG.

whats the trick? is it using autodeploy normally? it doesn't work when pr minimized and pressing update list again and again is very tedious.
thanks.

ademalut wrote:whats the trick? is it using autodeploy normally? it doesn't work when pr minimized and pressing update list again and again is very tedious.
thanks.

For HOG, server info, autodeploy and put 100. It works, sometimes I have to do 2 times, but it works. Keep in mind you can't minimize PR.

Esunmanta wrote:For HOG, server info, autodeploy and put 100. It works, sometimes I have to do 2 times, but it works. Keep in mind you can't minimize PR.

just autodeploy with blank (blank space = 100 players) and press enter when it says joining, that works for me.