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-new tank/antitank system-

Posted: 2007-02-23 22:30
by 77SiCaRiO77
my first suggestion is about the heavy AT kits .

SRAW

the SRAW isnt a heavy AT weapon , its a moder replacement of the AT4 , and since pr is set in the near future , maybe in SOME maps replace the at4 with the sraw FGM-172A (the antitank version ,top atack mode,give him only ONE zoom , its a short-range assault weapon) . its a fire&forget misil , something like the javaline but with minor range of attack , you can make the sraw lockable only until 90-100 meters (maps arnt too big for real distances).

and for the heavy AT give him one FGM-172A (AT version, top attack,) and one FGM-172B (multipropose , maybe minor damage to tanks but deadly for APC / infantery / choppers, like the current sraw , not fire&forget)

ERYX

the eryx IS a heavy AT weapon ,like the javaline ,and its very heavy (13 kg) , so heavy AT guy only can carrier one , but since its deadly for any tank (one shoot one kill) its enough . has a lockable time of 5 s and a range of 50 m to 600 m(in pr you can make only lockable until 200 m :) ) dont know if is fire&forget :-P . its guided as the tow .


now tanks .

for all tanks : make the smoke like POE 2 , they produce a lot of smoke

M1A2

this tanks has the more strong armor of the 3 tanks in pr , make his cannon more dadly , one shoot can dissable a t-90 (or make it burn) ,also a little more fast than others tanks.

T-90

this tanks can shoot AT-11 sniper (put in the hud "9K119 REFLEKS" and not something in english) ,this misil has more range than others sabot round , to simulate this make the zoom of this misil bigger than the current sabot/heat zoom, also this misil isnt capable to destroy a tank with one shoot , its capable to immobilize a M1A2.

this tank has the Shtora-1 system , that can confuse misils like the sraw and javaline , make it like this :

when something with a lazer its pointing at you (sraw/mavericks/m1a2/tows/hellfires) launch the smoke screen , in this screen put some invisible "flares" that can be lockable by sraws/javalines , protecting the t90 :)

about the armor , this tanks has a weak armor , and cant disable a m1a2 with one shoot , only make it smoking . but 2 shoots can destroy most of the targets (Except if the shell hits the front of the armor)

and add the ARENA system, not for all tanks and only in a few maps . put a invisible wall around the tank that ONLY block misils , not soldiers , not bullets , not vehicles and only for 2-3 seg. the arena system can destroy misils like the javaline , has a 360º and a 0-90º of elevation , so can defeat a top-attack misil.


Type 99

i dont have enough info about this tank , but i know that this tank has a lazer that can confuse AT misils .

also , this tank can shoot the AT 11 sniper misil too.



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and finaly , make the driver with the ability of operate the Comander view , to spot targets to the gunner that appears in the gunner sight as a little with boxe . and add a stabilitation for the main gun .

(uffa cuanta letra :P )

Posted: 2007-02-23 22:56
by WNxKenwayy
That would not stop a javelin, it doesn't even claim to. It also says it works best against missiles coming in from a low angle of attack. It also says it reduces catostrophic kills by about 1.7 times, which while impressive in how it does it, isn't impressive in real world. It doesn't act as any invisable shield that nothing can penetrate.

Oh, and how many of these systems have been issued to line units?

Posted: 2007-02-23 23:00
by Bob_Marley
The SRAW was cancelled, wasnt it? Anyway, I guess until the devs debug the javellin the SRAW will remain the heavy AT weapon.

It wont be made into light AT, as it is guided.

Posted: 2007-02-23 23:16
by 77SiCaRiO77
WNxKenwayy wrote:That would not stop a javelin, it doesn't even claim to. It also says it works best against missiles coming in from a low angle of attack. It also says it reduces catostrophic kills by about 1.7 times, which while impressive in how it does it, isn't impressive in real world. It doesn't act as any invisable shield that nothing can penetrate.

Oh, and how many of these systems have been issued to line units?
the Shtora-1 its in all the t90s , but only a few has the arena system, since its a prototype.

Posted: 2007-02-23 23:49
by V3N0N_br
Liked most of these ideas. Even if they're not implemented right now they should be kept in mind for the future. Tanks shouldn't be balanced, should have each particularity that they have in reality.

Posted: 2007-02-23 23:50
by FREEGUNNER
Bob_Marley wrote:The SRAW was cancelled, wasnt it? Anyway, I guess until the devs debug the javellin the SRAW will remain the heavy AT weapon.

It wont be made into light AT, as it is guided.
No SRAW was not cancelled, the XM8 was cancelled which the military had high hopes for.
Yeah I agree heavy kit should be using Eryx, Javelin, or maybe even the M47 Dragon but not the SRAW.

Posted: 2007-02-24 00:32
by Doedel
V3N0N_br wrote:Liked most of these ideas. Even if they're not implemented right now they should be kept in mind for the future. Tanks shouldn't be balanced, should have each particularity that they have in reality.
I agree. Rather than have MEC ("Iranian") forces equipped with the most modern Russian tank in existence, they should have an abundance of T-55s, T-62/4s, and T-72s. Even the Chinese should have a high number of 3rd+ generation tanks supplimented by a small number of 1st generation tanks. For instance, in a map containing two Abrams and two LAV's/Bradleys, a nice mixup for the Chinese would be maybe two Type 59s or Type 69s; maybe two Type 79s, and one Type 96/98/99, as well as a couple of Type 63's amphib light tank/APCs and/or Type 86 tracked APC. Essentially, Chinese doctrine would mirror that of the Soviets, relying more on mass numbers of moderately efficient equipment to counter the relatively small numbers of excellent equipment fielded by the US.

As fo the MEC (aka "Iranians"), I don't understand why they have one of the most advanced Russian tanks every built. They most of all should have bunches of T-55s/T-62s/T-72s and BMPs and BTR-70s and lesser vehicles. Although personally I think the MEC should be abandoned, maps with them switched to Insurgents, and otherwise replaced with some sort of generic "Rogue Nation" force consisting of something of a mix of Insurgent and MEC -- guerrila-esque forces with moderate numbers of 3rd generation vehicles. This "Rogue Nation" would essentially fit the bill of places like pre-war Afghanistan, pre-war Iraq, Bosnia/Serbia/etc, and current Iran. Similar to the MEC, except noticably "less advanced" and not reeking of "near-future mythical coalition of nations equipped with state-of-the-art 1st generation weapons". But one can only hope.

As fo the SRAW, I think he may be talking about the USMC's decision to replace the top-attack munitions with multi-purpose blast warheads. Apparently the USMC has decided to halt production on the top-attack munition completely.

Posted: 2007-02-24 01:57
by 77SiCaRiO77
MEC arent iranians , iranians speak persa (?) , mecs speak arabic , also MEC is a ficctisius army , in a future time near 2010 , its possible that they have t90s

Posted: 2007-02-24 02:31
by Mongolian_dude
Then Light AT would have to be requestable because we cannot garentee(infact i can garnetee otherwise) Players would not be mature enought to regulate themselves with sucha powerful kit. Armour would become useless(like 4., more a hassle than help) because every time a tank kills someone, a Tank would be killed it'self because he would respawn and take light AT and grudge kill it.
On a Auto balanced 64 player map, thats a possible total of 32 ONE HIT KILLS against a tank like that. With the way Heavy and light AT are in comparison is perfect now. The Javelin is currently being cleaned up of bugs and will be released in the near future.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=x0-97NIHa0E

...mongol...

Posted: 2007-02-24 03:41
by 77SiCaRiO77
thast why i said only in a few maps ,maybe in later war or a "homeland" theater, and adding the Shtora-1 and arena could balance it, but maybe you are right :p

Posted: 2007-02-24 04:59
by midnightcowboy
Shouldnt the USMC have the M47 Dragon? Seems to me it's much more common...

Posted: 2007-02-24 05:08
by Eddie Baker
midnightcowboy wrote:Shouldnt the USMC have the M47 Dragon? Seems to me it's much more common...
The Dragon hasn't been common in front line service for about 10 years, and it was a lemon before that. And Javelins can be found organic or attached most commonly at the platoon level, but can be found at the squad level depending on the service branch and type of unit.

The SRAW production program has been put on hold; the few that made it in are going to be remanufactured with blast-frag warheads for bunker busting. It seems like they want to go back to the drawing board.

Also, Sicario, all of these suggestions have been discussed before, several times. Please do a search.

Posted: 2007-02-24 05:27
by {9thInf}GunnyMeyer
Never organic Eddie, always attached. That's the beauty of the Corps, you have special Companies that are dedicated to each weapon type so you have more skilled operators of the weapons. If one unit has a special challenge, every weapon operator is going to know how to fix it rather than each one having to figure it on their own. Little Organization of the Marine Corps knowledge for ya ;)

Posted: 2007-02-24 05:31
by Eddie Baker
{9thInf}GunnyMeyer wrote:Never organic Eddie, always attached. That's the beauty of the Corps, you have special Companies that are dedicated to each weapon type so you have more skilled operators of the weapons. If one unit has a special challenge, every weapon operator is going to know how to fix it rather than each one having to figure it on their own. Little Organization of the Marine Corps knowledge for ya ;)
'[R-DEV wrote:Eddie Baker']The Dragon hasn't been common in front line service for about 10 years, and it was a lemon before that. And Javelins can be found organic or attached most commonly at the platoon level, but can be found at the squad level depending on the service branch and type of unit.
Heh, I was referring to both Army and Marines, Meyer. You're not telling me anything new. :)

Posted: 2007-02-24 05:58
by Dylan
And Eddie smashes his militaristic background in your face.

Gj Eddie B.