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I've been playing the TacticalGaming server lately w/o any "Master Server Disconnects"

Many other servers give me 2-3 of them per hour. I can go an entire round on TacticalGamer w.o issue. Has anyone else experienced this? I'm trying to determine if their server may have a different setup or update.

Yes but the Tactical Gamer server has a gay way of making room for their own. They say its automatic or something.... all I know is that my squadleader was kicked in the middle of a round. I got booted just before the end of a very good round, but when I clicked on the server there were 10 open slots. That and you are stuck on one side every single round. Is there anyone out there that runs a decent server?

Yeah I was playing with you I also got booted as well! I would like them to improve their script so it doesn't boot SLs at the very least.

Its a shame too because its a very smooth running server... but they found a way of killing it with retarded settings.

The server is set up that way for the supporting members of TG. These people are what keep TG up and running by paying a small fee monthly. It is a shame that it kicks SL's, but it is what it is. If you want the chance to play on one of the smoothest running PRM servers without being kicked for a Supporting Member then please feel free to become a Supporting Member. I for one have been a member for several years now and just now have become a Supporting Member for some of the fun stuff that they are doing with Project Reality Mod. Come on over and check us out! http://www.tacticalgamer.com .

JBRanger wrote:The server is set up that way for the supporting members of TG. These people are what keep TG up and running by paying a small fee monthly. It is a shame that it kicks SL's, but it is what it is. If you want the chance to play on one of the smoothest running PRM servers without being kicked for a Supporting Member then please feel free to become a Supporting Member. I for one have been a member for several years now and just now have become a Supporting Member for some of the fun stuff that they are doing with Project Reality Mod. Come on over and check us out! http://www.tacticalgamer.com .

Die in a fire.

Every server out there does something completely retarded that just ruins their server. Some tweek out the spawn times, others have lame auto kicks, others don't auto switch you sides at the end of each round, some have a very limited map rotation, some inexplicably run extracts on 64 man servers, the list goes on and on. It's not rocket science.....


1)For each map you should play either 1 round, or 2 rounds. In PR rounds usually last long enough that 1 round per map can be acceptable.

2)After the end of each round players should be autoswitched so that you don't get sick of constantly playing US, or whatever.

3)Squads should be held over from round to round. It makes no sense why you should have to recreate your squad each round.

4)Map rotations should include nearly all PR maps except extracts. Extract maps are only fun on servers running smaller numbers of players.

5)If your server does have reserved slots, it should not tell people trying to load in that they are banned. Pure idiocy.

6)In the case that a server wants to make room for a fellow member, players that are afk, not in squads, or have the lowest score should be kicked first. Why on Earth you would kick a squad leader who is leading the #1 squad close to the end of a round is beyond me. Also players should not be kicked when there are 10 open slots.



Did I miss anything?

Determined wrote:Its a shame too because its a very smooth running server... but they found a way of killing it with retarded settings.

Sigh. As an admin at TG, it's frustrating to say the least to hear feedback like this.

First off, this post should answer any questions people have about getting disconnected from a TG server:

http://www.tacticalgamer.com/battlefiel ... -read.html

That being said, the automated kick script is just one tool (like our heavy admin presence, forced squad join script, etc.) that keeps the quality of play as high as it is. Even the server admins are Supporting Members (i.e. we pay the $9/month or $80/yr). I understand the frustration because I endured the multiple kicks on TG's original vBF2 server for about 3 weeks when it was first released. But then I bit the bullet, ponied up my $9 and haven't looked back. It all comes down to this: the supporting members literally pay for the server, and it's only fair that they should get priority over non-paying players.

Your concerns are understandable but this is the best (i.e. fairest) formula the admins have found to let as many people play for as long as possible.

re: getting kicked with 10 open slots. This is almost certainly not the case. What I assume happened there is that your server browser wasn't refreshed and there were in fact no open slots. Either that or several TG members signed in at once - rare but not unheard of.

We hear a lot of complaints from people new to the TG servers about this script acting odd (e.g. intentionally kicking someone with the "highest score", kicking when there were not the longest person on the server, etc.), but I assure you it's not the case. The script is a simple one and is the best realistic solution we have to a high demand game/mod lilke PR for BF2.

Hope this helps!

EDIT: To answer the post above, "Die in a fire" is probably not the best way to earn a sympathetic ear. Neither is being sarcastic or condescending.

To answer your laundry list of your ideal server settings: TG does all of those, with these exceptions:

2. Teams aren't autoswitched. People are (hopefully) grown up enough to switch themselves if they want a change of pace. This allows squads to stay the same between rounds.
5. This is regrettable, but we can't change that pb message that comes up. We do our best to try to explain it every time it comes up (see link above), but that's just a limitation we have and can't get around for whatever reason.
6. I addressed this in my post above. And players are not kicked unless they absolutely have to be to make room. Period.

Thats a funny angle to take. Find a way to screw the average guy so he is either forced to move on or pay up. lol Sounds like the corporate way to run a server. Well GG to you guys at TG for that.

Oh and I'm so glad there were so many TG members on and in the same squad. All they were doing was camping the insurgants near their main spawn and not helping to attack or defend any flags.

The second time I was kicked and got the "making room" message I immediately loaded back up into the server to see 10 open slots. Whatever. It's a horrible system you have.

So bottom line is everyone else on this world is retarded but you Determined?

I just wonder what kind of a productive discussion you expect with this kind of immature attitude?

It is so obvious that you know almost nothing about server administration otherwise you would know that some default EA server messages cannot be changed, yet you feel so confident and enlightened to put idiot here retarded there, insulting hard-working people who has nothing but good intentions....

I normally dont put the spotlight on personal issues but someone must do it sometimes.

If there is anything wrong it is not the game, not the mod, not the server, not the admins....It is your ignorant, arrogant and rude attitude.

John CANAvar wrote:So bottom line is everyone else on this world is retarded but you Determined?

I just wonder what kind of a productive discussion you expect with this kind of immature attitude?

It is so obvious that you know almost nothing about server administration otherwise you would know that some default EA server messages cannot be changed, yet you feel so confident and enlightened to put idiot here retarded there, insulting hard-working people who has nothing but good intentions....

I normally dont put the spotlight on personal issues but someone must do it sometimes.

If there is anything wrong it is not the game, not the mod, not the server, not the admins....It is your ignorant, arrogant and rude attitude.

Help me out here. What have I said that is so hard to understand? Every other server on the planet that has reserved slots tells you so if you try to join them. All but TG, which says you have been banned. Please sir, know something about the subject before you flame.

Determined wrote:Thats a funny angle to take. Find a way to screw the average guy so he is either forced to move on or pay up. lol Sounds like the corporate way to run a server. Well GG to you guys at TG for that.

Oh and I'm so glad there were so many TG members on and in the same squad. All they were doing was camping the insurgants near their main spawn and not helping to attack or defend any flags.

The second time I was kicked and got the "making room" message I immediately loaded back up into the server to see 10 open slots. Whatever. It's a horrible system you have.

Sorry, but yours is the funny angle. We are all "average guys" just like you, the only difference is that (pay attention here) we pay for the server. It's not an exclusive club, and anyone who can afford to contribute is welcome to, and never deal with a kick like that again. It's not a scheme, it's not "corporate", and I don't get a cut from your money. It's simple finance. Servers cost X dollars/month to rent. We pay the rent. Without those that pay, no servers.

From your other comments it's obvious you haven't played on TG servers much, and your impression of TG is grossly misinformed. To wit, camping UCBs is high sacrilege in our community, punishable by permanent bans, and NO TG members practice this. And again, the script is a simple one that does not kick when it doesn't have to.

Sorry to derail this thread but we try to be as responsive to feedback/criticism as possible, in external forums and in our forums. Although 95% of it is genuine and mature, there is that 5% that is content to flame and dismiss all the hard work that goes into maintaining such high standards because "they can't play for free whenever they want...damn those that actually pay for the box the game is on".

Again, nobody's requiring you to pay in order to play, and nobody's arbitrarily kicking anyone, or even kicking more than are absolutely necessary.

Determined wrote:Die in a fire.

Hey man, I don't make the rules. I'm just passing along info on how and why it works that way.

If you don't believe me that TG is the BEST place to play come and try it out. You don't have to pay to see the difference. You pay to be a part of the difference.

i havent played on the server for many of the mentioned factors above.
that never switching teams thing is pretty god damn ridiculous and im guessing you cant switch teams if they way because of auto balance and if auto balance isnt on then its just stupid because team stacking will occur.

and if there is a language filter (dont remember) i dislike it because its a T rated game that is set up for 7 year olds, not to mention the fact that people are shooting each other and blood shoots out, and your running people over.

Id first like to apologize for any comments made toward any players that dislike our way of life. Second alls i can say is thats how we pay for our numerous servers, not only BF series games.

We always welcome you back and if you have any suggestions please offer them on our forums, our mods and admins are always looking for new and better ways to impliment game play. The script as stated kicks the person who has been on the server the longest, regaurdless of score or position, only way to keep it fair.

We have the script on teh site and you can look it over yourself if you think you are being treated unfair or think you would help make it better.

Trooper wrote:The script as stated kicks the person who has been on the server the longest, regaurdless of score or position, only way to keep it fair.

1st - I see no issue running a server they way you want and being open to suggestions is only optional - IMHO. You pay for it, you set the rules. Out right bitching about it is just lame and may I say, Cheap.

I do have a question, why kick the longest playing person? It seems it would be more likely that said person or persons are in key roles of the battle, SL, Commander or just a hot Squad. It seems that kicking the last joined player would be best - IMO.

As a suggestion I too think you should swap teams at the end of a round... if there is on thing I hate most is getting stuck one side. Trying to move your whole squad over is near impossiable.

|TG|Beatnik wrote:Sorry, but yours is the funny angle. We are all "average guys" just like you, the only difference is that (pay attention here) we pay for the server. It's not an exclusive club, and anyone who can afford to contribute is welcome to, and never deal with a kick like that again. It's not a scheme, it's not "corporate", and I don't get a cut from your money. It's simple finance. Servers cost X dollars/month to rent. We pay the rent. Without those that pay, no servers.

From your other comments it's obvious you haven't played on TG servers much, and your impression of TG is grossly misinformed. To wit, camping UCBs is high sacrilege in our community, punishable by permanent bans, and NO TG members practice this. And again, the script is a simple one that does not kick when it doesn't have to.

Sorry to derail this thread but we try to be as responsive to feedback/criticism as possible, in external forums and in our forums. Although 95% of it is genuine and mature, there is that 5% that is content to flame and dismiss all the hard work that goes into maintaining such high standards because "they can't play for free whenever they want...damn those that actually pay for the box the game is on".

Again, nobody's requiring you to pay in order to play, and nobody's arbitrarily kicking anyone, or even kicking more than are absolutely necessary.

I've kicked in money to peoples servers who I frequented and found to be run well. Yours is not and I'm pointing out why. Most popular servers that are run well don't need to have some bizarre set up to solicite monies from the masses. Yours does. Your server has one of the stupidest "kick to make room" set ups I've ever seen. You do it that way to get people to pay. THat is your perrogative. Its your server right? You also have it set up wrong so it tells people who join when its near full that they have been banned because of tking. All this money to pay for a server and you can't get it set up right?

Oh, and if not for RDEV RikiRude taking the role of commander, your lost TG clanmates would still be camping on Province and not helping the team win. If you want to call it sacrilege then thats fine, but your boys were doing it. lol They were squad 5. Thanks.

Look I'm just trying to help you out. There is nothing wrong with asking people to help pay for your server. Hell a well set up and run server will naturally have people wanting to help. Yours does not. It certainly rubs me the wrong way when I get kicked near rounds end while being a squad leader. Who wants to pay for that shit? Now you can say that if i paid I would not be subject to that. To which I will tell you to go F yourself because I wouldn't want it to happen to other people, nevermind happening to me.

Determined wrote:I've kicked in money to peoples servers who I frequented and found to be run well. Yours is not and I'm pointing out why.

It's just your opinion that our server is not run well...apparently you are in the minority however. It appears our server is ranked #1 for PRM (w00t!) I won't fault you for having an opinion that doesn't jive with my own.

Most popular servers that are run well don't need to have some bizarre set up to solicite monies from the masses. Yours does. Your server has one of the stupidest "kick to make room" set ups I've ever seen. You do it that way to get people to pay. THat is your perrogative.

Look...excellent stable servers don't grow on trees...no, they do not. They cost MONEY. And for TG that cost is in the THOUSANDS of DOLLARS every year to keep all our games going. If you want to pay that kind of money out of your own pocket for an excellent place to play your games feel free...at that point you can do whatever you want with it. However, TG does not solicit money through the servers. In fact, nowhere on any of our servers do we advertise our supporting membership benefits. All that info is on our site for our MEMBERS and members-to-be.

Its your server right? You also have it set up wrong so it tells people who join when its near full that they have been banned because of tking. All this money to pay for a server and you can't get it set up right?

Apparently you can't read. As Trooper stated, that message is something that cannot be worked around. It's a punkbuster issue.

Oh, and if not for RDEV RikiRude taking the role of commander, your lost TG clanmates would still be camping on Province and not helping the team win. If you want to call it sacrilege then thats fine, but your boys were doing it. lol They were squad 5. Thanks.

I guess making ignorant claims to how our server functions wasn't enough...now you go and attack the players. Good one Ace.

Look I'm just trying to help you out. There is nothing wrong with asking people to help pay for your server. Hell a well set up and run server will naturally have people wanting to help. Yours does not.

Before you go and stick your foot in your mouth again...maybe you should see just how many supporting members Tacticalgamer actually has. You might be surprised.

It certainly rubs me the wrong way when I get kicked near rounds end while being a squad leader. Who wants to pay for that shit? Now you can say that if i paid I would not be subject to that. To which I will tell you to go F yourself because I wouldn't want it to happen to other people, nevermind happening to me.

Eh...if you're that upset...go play on another server that won't charge you a dime.

Bottom line is TacticalGamer has a superb thing going and has had a superb thing going for years. Each and every one of their game servers are par excellence and the teamwork, maturity and gameplay even better. If you've had a bad experience, or even if you're just pissed and salty because other people can afford to not get kicked, then hey man...that's how it crumbles. I personally am not a supporting member but have been a member of the community for years. I love it. And I have no qualms about getting auto-kicked for supporting members because ultimately it's their dollar that allows me such an awesome place to game..and really...unless you're severely mentally handicapped...it doesn't take that much to get back in the server.

I've signed up to say that I'll happily wait 15-20 minutes to play on the TG server and fully intend to be a paying member shortly. Fantastic ping, competent commanders, and responsible admins all add up to a great PR experience. Don't let a spoiled child bother you with his ad hominem attacks, I really appreciate what you guys are doing there.

Atomic Dog wrote:It's just your opinion that our server is not run well...apparently you are in the minority however. It appears our server is ranked #1 for PRM (w00t!) I won't fault you for having an opinion that doesn't jive with my own.



Look...excellent stable servers don't grow on trees...no, they do not. They cost MONEY. And for TG that cost is in the THOUSANDS of DOLLARS every year to keep all our games going. If you want to pay that kind of money out of your own pocket for an excellent place to play your games feel free...at that point you can do whatever you want with it. However, TG does not solicit money through the servers. In fact, nowhere on any of our servers do we advertise our supporting membership benefits. All that info is on our site for our MEMBERS and members-to-be.



Apparently you can't read. As Trooper stated, that message is something that cannot be worked around. It's a punkbuster issue.



I guess making ignorant claims to how our server functions wasn't enough...now you go and attack the players. Good one Ace.



Before you go and stick your foot in your mouth again...maybe you should see just how many supporting members Tacticalgamer actually has. You might be surprised.



Eh...if you're that upset...go play on another server that won't charge you a dime.

Bottom line is TacticalGamer has a superb thing going and has had a superb thing going for years. Each and every one of their game servers are par excellence and the teamwork, maturity and gameplay even better. If you've had a bad experience, or even if you're just pissed and salty because other people can afford to not get kicked, then hey man...that's how it crumbles. I personally am not a supporting member but have been a member of the community for years. I love it. And I have no qualms about getting auto-kicked for supporting members because ultimately it's their dollar that allows me such an awesome place to game..and really...unless you're severely mentally handicapped...it doesn't take that much to get back in the server.

Um your server is the only server on the planet that has that error. The kicked message error. I've been playing the battlefield series since the beginning. Your server is the only one with this error that has reserved slots. Again, your server is set up poorly. Just stating fact. That is not just my opinion.

Determined wrote:Um your server is the only server on the planet that has that error. The kicked message error. I've been playing the battlefield series since the beginning. Your server is the only one with this error that has reserved slots. Again, your server is set up poorly. Just stating fact. That is not just my opinion.

From my understanding that error is caused by a conflict with Punkbuster and our scripts that we run on the server (as stated previously). Someone will correct me if I'm wrong. All the same, I hardly think an error like that is any indication that our server is set up poorly (another indication of that would be TG's #1 ranking...I can't say it enough). You seem pretty insistent on painting that picture though.