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Change MEC weapons
Posted: 2007-03-29 21:43
by Outlawz7
Well, I saw, that GB and USMC got a lot of weapon redoes and new models introduced...all fine, but what about MEC? Insurgents are fine, but MEC needs its own respective arnament, too...putting G3 on all kits, except for the Spec Ops, isnt very original, nor realistic, in my opinion.
Well, some will reply to this "yeah, you just suck", cos I complained about it, when I got killed by G3 so much, that Ive spent a good amount of time watching my Killed timer, once the Revive passed...lol
But still...I suggest putting AK-101, AK-47 and AK-74U back to the MEC...Im not even sure, if thats what Middle East armies use ( G3 !), since its a German made weapon...
Spec Ops - unchanged
Rifleman - Ak-101
Rifleman AP- Ak-47
Grenadier - Ak-101 / GP-30
Engineer - unchanged
Medic - Ak-47
Anti Tank - Ak-74U
P.S. Think, I missed out a kit?
Limited kits - think, no changes should be made...maybe give the Ak-74U to the Heavy AT as well...
Anyways, what do you think?
Posted: 2007-03-29 21:54
by Katarn
The G3 is both realistic and original. Countries in the region generally use a lot of German-made weapons from the cold war. Iran and I believe Saudi Arabia have widespread use of the G3 and powerful countries of that region are speculated to make up the MEC. Also, no other mod, and no other game that I can recall uses the G3 as its main weapon. Also, Project reality uses realistic weapon loadouts that have the standard issue weapon often.
Posted: 2007-03-29 21:59
by Bob_Marley
Short: Get out.
Long: The G3 is here to stay. Its used by several countries in the ME.
The G3 will be getting the different models fro the difrerent kits, such as a G3A3Z for riflemen.
The AKS-74U is not in use with the armed forces of any middle eastern nation, the AK-101 is not in use with anyone and the AK-47 is not, in my opinion, something that says "professional fighting force" (due to its association with conscript armies, rebel groups and malitias. The weapon its self is rather good, but the perception would simply become "MEC = terrorists" if they had it.)
I've never liked the idea of mixing and matching calibres for the general issue weapons (ala vBF2, and what you suggest).
The G3 is here to stay, and so are the cat sized exit wounds it causes in US marines. Along with its low magazine capacity and high recoil.
Posted: 2007-03-29 22:17
by GnaM
Yeah, that's stupid. Just because they're from the middle east doesn't mean they have to use kalashnikovs, and just because a weapon is a kalashnikov doesn't mean that someone from the middle east will use it.
The primary reason the AK-47/AK-M is used so widely in the middle east is because it's dirt cheap and huge amounts of it were exported everywhere for 60 years. IMO this could be a candidate for MEC weapon, but the devs have a point in not wanting to ride the "terrorist" cliche.
The AK-74 and it's variants are basically only used in Russia and former eastern bloc countries. It is not highly produced and exported the way it's 7.62mm predecessors were. Coincidentally, Ossama Bin Laden keeps an AKs-74u in his robe, but he's probably the only one in the middle east to do so.
The AK-101 and other 100 series variants are not used by any militaries or terrorist groups; it's basically just a marketing gimmick. It is not widely produced and being brand new is probably relatively expensive; you would not find it in the hands of a low-budget middle eastern fighting force.
What's more, all 3 of these weapons use completely different calibers; no fighting force would ever equip each soldier with a different AK variant using a different caliber; no one would be able to exchange ammunition, and there's simply no reason to use 3 different types of ammo.
Simply being of Kalashnikov design does not make a firearm eligible for use by an insurgent, middle eastern army, or "enemy force". Looking at a weapon and thinking "oh, it looks like an AK-47 so terrorists would probably use it" is painfully ignorant.
Posted: 2007-03-29 22:40
by tophdawg
y change a good thing the g3 is a good gun with fairly good acurcy just need to know how to use it right, i know in vbf2 it pwned.
Posted: 2007-03-29 22:42
by El_Vikingo
give'em isreali uzi's!
Posted: 2007-03-29 22:50
by Gyberg
First of all: The G3 stays. Period.
GnaM wrote:The AK-101 and other 100 series variants are not used by any militaries or terrorist groups; it's basically just a marketing gimmick. It is not widely produced and being brand new is probably relatively expensive; you would not find it in the hands of a low-budget middle eastern fighting force.
Second: Could people please stop thinking of the MEC as a low-budget army! Oil people oil!, The black gold! Comon they would be filthy rich if they decided to side with one and another and if they put all their money into the military you can just imagine for your self.
On a sidenote I find this a bit interesting, where would the US (and the rest of the world) get oil from if they started a war against MEC. Yes US has assets of it's own but they are not big enough to support a WW3 which basically is what PR is.
Posted: 2007-03-29 22:50
by Oacceptabelt
There have been a lot of G3 "clones" manufactured under license in a wide range of countries. Let me quote Modern Firearms website:
world.guns.ru wrote:...the G3 in various modifications served as a general issue shoulder weapon not only for German Armed forces, but also for many other countries. Those include Greece, Iran, Mexico, Norway, Pakistan, Portugal, Sweden, Turkey and many other countries. Total of more than 50 countries during the last 40 years issued the G3 to its forces. The G3 was or still is manufactured in countries like the Greece, Pakistan, Iran, Turkey, Portugal and others. The key reason of high popularity of the G3 is that it is much simpler and cheaper to manufacture, than its major contemporary rivals - Belgian FN FAL and US M14.
Also take your time to read the article about G3 at
Wikipedia which also mentions Saudi Arabia, Myanmar (Burma), Lebanon, Kuwait, Indonesia, Bangladesh, Brazil and many more on the list of current operators.
Don't you believe that significant numbers of those assault rifles produced under license in non-western countries would find their way to MEC? Especially when taken into account that the G3 is cheap to manufacture, powerful and relatively accurate? I do not see anything unrealistic about MEC wielding the G3 as their standard issue assault rifle.
Posted: 2007-03-29 23:33
by 77SiCaRiO77
a lot of ME countrys has AKs in his armys ,maybe in the same amount of g3, maybe you can "mix" the weapons , some aks around the main base , etc .

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because is very incredible that 10000 aks magicaly dissapear from an army ?
Posted: 2007-03-30 00:06
by fOgGy
MECs don't always have to use German/Russian equipment but can also have weapons from other neighbouring countries close to Russia like Finland, Croatia, Czech republic, Ukraine and Yugoslavia.
MGV-176 submachine gun, butt opened (Yugoslavia)
UK 59 in light machine gun role, on bipod (Czech republic)
Valmet Rk.62, fixed buttstock (Finland)
Sa.24 submachine gun, with fixed wooden butt, caliber 7.62mm (Czech republic)

Posted: 2007-03-30 02:17
by Eddie Baker
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