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Now that would be pretty interesting. And pretty realistic, too, considering some modern day situations.

Armand61685 wrote:Now that would be pretty interesting. And pretty realistic, too, considering some modern day situations.

If we wanted modern day situations we would make a map where it's MEC vs Insurgents except the only available class for MEC would be riflemen without any rifle, so all they could do is run around the insurgents throwing down ammo everywhere. Pretty realistic if you ask me.

WOW if that wasent a stereotype of a whole race of people, then I dont know what is. Let me guess, you think all middle eastern a terrorist?

On a real response, it would be cool, but not really enjoyable. It would be like a Turk playing a American civil war level. The whole US/British vs Insurgents is based in a reality and thats why it works.

But I wouldn't be opposed to playing that level. Yell you the truth, Its more about the level then the side I'm on.

I've wanted to see MEC vs Insurgent maps (along with MEC vs China maps too) for a long time. I think they'd be an exelent addition to the mod and would cement the MEC as being a professional fighting force, and not a bunch of terrorists (as so many people seem keen to think they are).

I agree with BOb.

It is highly realistic having a Middle Easten Professional armour fight terrorists, take the Iraq and Afgan army, not very professional but, they have and do fight terrorists (namely the taliban in Afganistan and insurgents in Iraq).

Its wiki quote time again:
The Egyptian government recently requested a batch of advanced F-15 fighters from the United States equipped with "smart" bombs to expand its Air Defense capability. Israel is trying to block the sale of the F-15 fighters because of concern that this would completely close the gap between the Egyptian and Israeli Air Forces.[52] According to the Israeli chair of the Knesset Foreign Affairs and Defense Committee, Yuval Steinitz, the Egyptian Air Force has roughly the same number of modern warplanes as the Israeli Air Force and far more Western tanks, artillery, anti-aircraft batteries and warships than the IDF.
This is a clear example of a middle easten power possessing a mordern and powerfull, professional military.
Combined with, possible attacks by extreme Islamists or any terrorists for that matter, Eygpt could find them selves fighting Insurgents in some form or another!

coderedfox wrote:WOW if that wasent a stereotype of a whole race of people, then I dont know what is. Let me guess, you think all middle eastern a terrorist?

On a real response, it would be cool, but not really enjoyable. It would be like a Turk playing a American civil war level. The whole US/British vs Insurgents is based in a reality and thats why it works.

But I wouldn't be opposed to playing that level. Yell you the truth, Its more about the level then the side I'm on.

how am i stereotyping? There are real situations with the middle eastern nation's national army fighting against insurgent/thugs.

Armand61685 wrote:how am i stereotyping? There are real situations with the middle eastern nation's national army fighting against insurgent/thugs.

He was not refearing to you, and this is a good idea.

I believe the sterotype comment was in relations to:

"If we wanted modern day situations we would make a map where it's MEC vs Insurgents except the only available class for MEC would be riflemen without any rifle, so all they could do is run around the insurgents throwing down ammo everywhere. Pretty realistic if you ask me."

I refuse to comment on sterotpyes but alittle dismissive i think, rather unhelpfull in respects, in trying to carefully consider of the idea.

Whoa.. I guess that makes Jaymz a terrorist too.. cause he's from Ireland and the IRA were terrorists.. idiot.

It would be nice to see MEC vs Insurgents, as there is currently three.. factions.. warring in Iraq who are not military units, they not only fight the US and Brits, but also the Iraqi forces and each other, in fact I believe most of the casulties are caused by the fighting between them not against the US/Brits.

'[R-CON wrote:Jaymz']If we wanted modern day situations we would make a map where it's MEC vs Insurgents except the only available class for MEC would be riflemen without any rifle, so all they could do is run around the insurgents throwing down ammo everywhere. Pretty realistic if you ask me.

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Iraqi Police/Military are currently assisting in the fight against the insurgents. Amazing! Or how about Israel Vs Palestine. List goes on really. It's not just the western world that condones terrorism.

*sigh*

I'm so sick of this "You say the MEC would support terrorists OMG U R TEH RACIST!" No. Stop trying to win every discussion by calling the other side racist. The MEC would likely support terrorists because they're fighting the US in the first place. Its like saying its racist that the Germans never fought the Japanese or Italians in BF1942. If they were opposed to the Taliban, Al Qiada, etc, why wouldn't they be allied with the US?

Should the MEC fight insurgents? I think not. Having the new Iraqi army fight insurgents would make more sense, but not a coalition of Middle Eastern nations that is supposed to be opposed to the US.

Come to think of it, why not have insurgents fight other, slightly different looking insurgents in some way or another? After all, the Taliban fought the Northern Alliance in Afghanistan.

Ecko wrote:...
Iraqi Police/Military are currently assisting in the fight against the insurgents.

O RLY?
https://www.realitymod.com/forum/t18921 ... roops.html

back on Topic.
Even if the MEC came together to fight the US, a map could be set in the future, after they had defeated the US.
In that case, a modern army in a modern country would be a legitmate and logical target for an insurgency.
Jay's comment about MEC deserting to insurgent is a fact in the Iraq theater and in no way implicates an entire race of people in any sort of behaviour.

Who says the Insurgents fighting against the U.S would be the same Insurgents fighting the MEC? We do know that they're are many groups and beliefs out there, so it's plausible to say that the Insurgents faction could very well be fighting anyone, as they simply don't represent one group.

And assuming the MEC are some sort of "Empire" it's pretty likely that they would be dealing with local rebellions and such. We can call the Insurgents that are opposed to the MEC something like "The Persian Resistance". Those who support the MEC; I like to think of them as the "vietcong" of the war depicted in PR. So we can call them "The People's Alliance" or something. Maybe we can slightly distinguish the two with some different skins, that way we can use pug's idea with Insurgents v.s Insurgents.

Insurgents aren't necessarily terrorists.. they are people rising up against the military power in control.. whether it is US, MEC, UK or PLA.

The fact that 90% of insurgents and guerilla movements were trained and sponsored by the US and UK kinda leads some credibility that the MEC could be fighting insurgents.. wouldn't be the first time (it's how Saddam came to power).

bobfish wrote:Insurgents aren't necessarily terrorists.. they are people rising up against the military power in control.. whether it is US, MEC, UK or PLA.

The fact that 90% of insurgents and guerilla movements were trained and sponsored by the US and UK kinda leads some credibility that the MEC could be fighting insurgents.. wouldn't be the first time (it's how Saddam came to power).

Yeah, I was thinking MEC vs. Kurds myself.They're usually sympathetic to the US and the countries which they're in generally don't like them much. A map with them attack MEC supply lines or holding a mountain stronghold wouldn't be to far fetched.

bosco wrote:O RLY?
https://www.realitymod.com/forum/t18921 ... roops.html

YA RLY!

I can remember more reports of UK troopers being killed by American friendly fire than i can of Iraqi Forces.

An idea of MEC v Insurgents map ( if it is going to happen ) :
Armoured convoy that have to bring supply tracks ( 2-4 ) from base A to Bthough the road serpantine high in the mountains ( Aghanistan ; like USSR did during 1979-1989 ) . Insurgent goal is to destroy all trucks . MEC may get 1-2 MBT's , 2-3 APC's , 1-2 attack helos . Insurgents get more cards ( maybe x2 ) and less spawn time ( same like Helmand Province )
What do you guys think ?

Okay, having the MEC fighting other kinds of insurgents, like Kurdish ones, makes quite a bit more sense. That, I wouldn't mind seeing.

puglous wrote:Okay, having the MEC fighting other kinds of insurgents, like Kurdish ones, makes quite a bit more sense. That, I wouldn't mind seeing.

Of course you're not going to make a whole new type of insurgents, you could just mention that in the map briefing.

I'd imagine it would be Shias vs. Sunnis in a broad sense.

What about insurgents v insurgents ? It was quite possible during Aghan war 1979-1989