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The Pantsyr 1 (known in the West as SA-19 GRISOM) - insurgents NEED this on Al Basrah

Posted: 2007-04-07 23:33
by 23SKID00
insurgents NEED this on Al Basrah! ;) time for a russian upgrade from the SA-7.


DEBKAfile Exclusive: Iran acquires Russian-made air defense and anti-tank systems to repel a possible US attack on Iran
http://www.debka.com/headline_print.php?hid=4033
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April 7, 2007, 10:50 AM (GMT+02:00)

The Pantsyr 1 (known in the West as SA-19 GRISOM) system is designed to engage aerial targets, including missiles; the Khrizantema (9M123), to strike advancing tank columns at long range and destroy bunkers.

Our military sources report that the two weapons systems combined are built to repel advancing armored units while at the same striking helicopter commando drops behind their lines. A third recently-delivered Russian system, the TOR M1, has been put into service by the Revolutionary Guards to protect nuclear and other strategic sites against missile attack, including cruise missiles.

The Israeli military fears Moscow is also planning to supply Syria and Hizballah with the sophisticated SA-9 and 9M123. DEBKAfile’s military sources say that the two weapons in Syrian hands could seriously impair Israeli tank and helicopter movements and hit IDF positions and command posts deep inside the Golan.

Col. Yury Solovyov, commander of Russia’s Air Defense Forces Special Command, told Novosti news agency Friday, April 6, that Iran’s air defense system is strong enough to repel a US strike.

“Currently Iran has our defense missile systems which are capable of tackling US combat aircraft,” he said. “Iran also has French and other countries’ defense systems.”

Earlier, Russian Dept FM Alexander Losyukov stated that no US attack on Iran is expected in the coming days, contradicting a previous quote by Novosti from Russian intelligence officials who predicted a US missile strike against Iran, codenamed Operation Bite, at 4:00 a.m. April 6. Other Russian sources speak of an April attack.

The Pantsyr 1 is a radar command-guided, two-stage surface-to-air missile battery mounted on a 2S6 integrated air defense system, which is fitted with two banks of four missiles in blocks of two. Each can be independently elevated vertically. The weapon can engage aerial targets moving at a maximum speed of 500 meters per second at altitudes ranging from 15 to 3,500 meters. Its effective range is 2..4 to 8 km. A high-explosive fragmentation warhead is activated within 5 metes from target with a kill probability of 70%.

The Khrizantema’s supersonic missiles shoot at a speed of 400 meters per second to hit moving targets, including armored vehicles, at a distance of 6 km. This weapon can pierce 1,200mm of steel armor – even explosive reactor armor (ERA) - making both the US Abrams and Israeli Chariot tanks vulnerable. It can also destroy bunkers and engage low-flying helicopters. The Khrizantema uniquely features two guidance modes - automatic by roof-mounted radar, and semi-automatic by a laser beam rider.

Posted: 2007-04-07 23:47
by Ringo876
is it REALLY that good?

Posted: 2007-04-07 23:51
by DirtyHarry88
So you send in all your B-2's and F-117's. :p

Posted: 2007-04-07 23:58
by 77SiCaRiO77
o always want to know if a mig 29 with a RT-77 (sp?)can lock on a b2

Posted: 2007-04-08 00:02
by Randleman5102
Ive never seen an insurgent with this...

Posted: 2007-04-08 00:07
by DirtyHarry88
77SiCaRiO77 wrote:o always want to know if a mig 29 with a RT-77 (sp?)can lock on a b2
Is that a heat seeking missile?

Posted: 2007-04-08 00:20
by Raniak
Insurgents !?
Maybe a rusty version of it...

Posted: 2007-04-08 00:23
by Shining Arcanine
Insurgents would not have this; the renegade armor company would have this, but I doubt that it is as good as the Russians say that it is.

Posted: 2007-04-08 01:04
by 77SiCaRiO77
DirtyHarry88 wrote:Is that a heat seeking missile?
only heat seeking missile can look at a b2 ?

Posted: 2007-04-08 01:10
by Eddie Baker
The tracked version of this system, the 2S6 Tunguska, is already in the game for the MEC. And no, the insurgents do not need this.

Posted: 2007-04-08 02:24
by system
Then we get an AC-130. :D

Posted: 2007-04-08 02:28
by DaveOnrefni
Hm... how about something not quite as advanced but similar? Such as an old German AA gun on the back of a truck. Something like that one in C&C Generals ;P

Posted: 2007-04-08 02:37
by Eddie Baker
DaveOnrefni wrote:Hm... how about something not quite as advanced but similar? Such as an old German AA gun on the back of a truck. Something like that one in C&C Generals ;P
That's been suggested before. :)

In the most recent suggestion of it a while back a thermal, gun-camera video was posted of insurgents in Iraq using what might have been a ZPU-4 (quad-14.5mm AAMG) mounted in the back of a truck. This tactic was used by both sides during the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan. In Soviet units that did not have ZSU-23-4 support, a ZPU-4 might be placed in the back of a truck during convoy operations through the mountain passes, because its elevation and rate of traverse was higher than that of the weapons organic to the other fighting vehicles.

I have also seen photos of the ZU-23 mounted on a flatbed from a retired SF operator's tour in Afghanistan.

Posted: 2007-04-08 10:29
by DirtyHarry88
77SiCaRiO77 wrote:only heat seeking missile can look at a b2 ?
Well using a radar guided missile your chances are slim to none.

Posted: 2007-04-09 02:20
by WNxKenwayy
same with heat, the B2 has all sorts of crazyness ways to deal with its heat sig. The only way to shoot down a B2 is to hit it with a kinetic projectile. Missiles simply can't 'see' it.

Posted: 2007-04-09 02:41
by Ironcomatose
WNxKenwayy wrote:same with heat, the B2 has all sorts of crazyness ways to deal with its heat sig. The only way to shoot down a B2 is to hit it with a kinetic projectile. Missiles simply can't 'see' it.
Chuck Norris can!!!!(sorry couldnt resist) but on a real note yeah B2s are like the ultimate bomber. Nothing can kill them except for a fighter maybe on its *** with the 20mm vulcan firing at full blast.

Posted: 2007-04-09 08:22
by Exel
'[R-DEV wrote:Eddie Baker']
I have also seen photos of the ZU-23 mounted on a flatbed from a retired SF operator's tour in Afghanistan.
That'd be the most realistic AA vehicle for insurgents.