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Posted: 2007-05-05 00:28
by Falkun
It's a useful feature on maps like Al Basrah, which have jets and choppers. This prevents having 6 people in an A-10 or Cobra squad, because 6 people in an A-10 squad when there's only two A-10s, is just silly.
Posted: 2007-05-05 00:31
by daranz
Pilots can use one man squads to more efficiently communicate with the commander, without tying down a bunch of other people if they're in a plane.
Snipers with spotters can also operate in separate squads, since they operate away from normal infantry. Direct communication with commander allows them to pick spots more efficiently.
Also, armored squads can be locked, so that people wanting to play infantry, or snipe off some hill don't needlessly join them. Hell, I had a situation where I ended up a SL while driving a tank, because the previous SL left the server. Pretty soon, I ended up with a squad full of infantry, with people telling me to set a rally point and lead them into infantry battles. Had I locked the squad, I wouldn't have wasted these people's time.
Posted: 2007-05-05 00:49
by GeZe
I was just in a 1 man locked squad on TG.
I couldn't use my mic at the time (other people in the room complain), I joined other squads, but they kicked because I don't reply on VOIP. So to not get kicked from the server, I made a squad. But without a mic, I am in no position to be leading a squad, thus the lock.
There are a lot of possible situations. As long as there is room to make another squad, then I am fine with 1 man locked squads. But if the squad number max is reached, then people should unlock.
Posted: 2007-05-05 03:34
by GeZe
Mystiqq wrote:Interesting, some of these do make sense but some doesnt.
For instance, locking squad because you dont have mic is something that i dont understand. What if the next guy and the next uses the same logic. Theres zero harm leaving it open for someone to join, might be another one without a mic. Why not create "nomic" squad and leave it unlocked. You arent doing anyone a favor by locking the squad, at least none that i can see.
Didn't think of making a 'nomic' squad, I'll do that in the future. Thanks for the suggestion.
Posted: 2007-05-05 03:44
by causticbeat
up to the server admins descretion i think, maps like basrah its acceptable, but if it gets to a point where people cant join squads/there are no open squads and one locked, you should warn then kick
Posted: 2007-05-05 03:49
by causticbeat
Pilots can use one man squads to more efficiently communicate with the commander, without tying down a bunch of other people if they're in a plane.
yeah, but the thing is, pilots arent really that fucking important unless its al basrah (which people kinda talk about like its the only map in pr, and kinda base all pr mechanics off of it), a pilot is much more helpful just being in a squad, supporting that squad when they need it, and the commander when he asks (a good commander will know how to use move commands/squad leader to direct just a helicopter).
lets face it on most maps helos are flying around with their thumbs up their asses looking for people who will trust him to fly around, you can do fine in a squad, where if the commander needs you, he can get you, and not take up a squad slot
Posted: 2007-05-05 04:01
by Falkun
Mystiqq wrote:Interesting, some of these do make sense but some doesnt.
This A10 squad will end up being one man squad in no time, which it probably is to begin with. Especially if its some pub server. I mean, if you happen to be in A10 and get killed and decides to go noobtubing for a change
, then you obviously leave that squad and join the infantry guys, no? How about this new A10 guy, how is he suppose to "join" your A10 squad? Thats right, he makes another one or just stays on the squad he is right now (most probable). Sounds pretty silly to me.
Not once have i seen full squad and someone flying A10 as SL. Reason is quite obvious...
Well, the "new a10 guy", if he's smart, will ask for an invite into the a10 squad, or create a new one. Snipers and tanks usually do end up in unlocked a10 squads, I've seen those sort of squads exist for the duration of a game.
The reason why locked squads are good for comms between the SL and Commander, is so that the commander is only giving orders to the people he should be giving orders to. It's not productive giving attack orders meant for an a10 pilot to an a10 pilot, apc driver, and sniper.
Posted: 2007-05-05 05:34
by Outlawz7
Whats really pissing off, when I was on Al Basrah, we had the squad bug again and only 3 squads were made, more werent possible. So the first one got filled up and the other two locked themselves in. I know, thats becuase of the Cobra and A10 and all that shite, but:
1.They werent in an A10 or Cobra
2. Even if they were, there was no commander to talk to
3. If they knew, theres a squad bug going on, at least they could unlock and let some people in to get the kits
Because of the #3, we couldnt use APCs or armor, cos the first squad was infantry, while the other two were probably jerkoffs, who got the Marksman or Sniper kit and went Leet in the city...
Posted: 2007-05-05 12:33
by daranz
Mystiqq wrote:
Not once have i seen full squad and someone flying A10 as SL. Reason is quite obvious...
I have. This is a BF2 based game, don't expect logic from most of the population.
Not really sure how this has to do with one man locked squads. Spotters nor snipers dont need to lock their squads for "direct communication" with the comm.
Snipers don't exactly want 20 retards with ADD spawning on them and shooting flares and smoke grenades up in the air to let everyone know where the sniper is.
Since you managed to get the crewman kit, there must have been others still in the squad before you got the tank? Might have been good idea to make a new squad called "armor" or "tank"? Why did you stay in that squad in the first place? No one will join in a squad called "armor" or whatever and start demanding a rally point.
If you had made the squad after you got the tank and left the previous squad, there wouldnt be no one asking for anything. No one will join in a squad where you have SL in a tank and start demanding a rally point. If you do, kick him from the squad, point finger and laugh.
If anything, the only reason "you wasted their time" is because you didnt leave the squad when you got the tank. Its like commanding from airplanes, not very good idea. I advice that if you dont intend to lead the squad is to leave the squadleader position.
Last time I left a squad while wearing a crewman kit and in a vehicle, I got instantly killed. I always thought that would kill you. That was the only reason why I didn't leave the squad. Having a one-manned tank in the middle of the desert would be a *****.
Posted: 2007-05-05 14:08
by Blackhawk 5
The reasons i mainly see locked squads because of specific kit or vehicle purpose (A-10, cobra, medic squad) or the guy is trying to save his squad for his clan/friends.
Posted: 2007-05-05 14:13
by DirtyHarry88
I'd say it's ok for aircraft IF they're talking to the commander and getting target info etc.
Posted: 2007-05-05 15:57
by Outlawz7
If the whole BF2 game wasnt hardcoded like a *****, the only thing left in PR would be the game engine itself....
z0Mg someone quote this
Posted: 2007-05-06 01:12
by ^Slick
Outlawz wrote:If the whole BF2 game wasnt hardcoded like a *****, the only thing left in PR would be the game engine itself....
z0Mg someone quote this
Done and done