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Strategy guide

Posted: 2007-07-03 11:57
by Apheirox
I intend to write a strategy guide or set of guides for PR and tactical shooters in general in the PR wiki. I expect to spend a good deal of time on this - diverting forum browsing time to this more rewarding endeavour - and hopefully produce a quality piece of work. This will be my contribution to the PR community. I believe this is the area in which I can make the greatest difference.
Strategist wrote:This will be my guide and mine alone. The guide is not to be edited by anybody else. Not as much as a comma is to be added without my expressed permission or request. Yes, that goes against the nature of the wiki and I am powerless to prevent editing. However, should this unauthorized editing occur I will take down my guides and host them elsewhere. I will, however, be very open to suggestions and criticism and have sections detailing other people's contradicting [reasonable] views. A joint effort guide is also entirely possible. I am not interested in being credited - I just want there to be a guide to hopefully raise the level of play - but I will not have my name put on anything I do not agree with. Please, contact me about the guide, either here (I will keep watching this thread) or by PM, but do not edit anything yourself.
Keeping this part for thread cohesion, this is what I originally wrote here. Looking at it again, I can see how it came off as overly bigoted and I really regret putting it like that. Please, accept my apology. I hope we can move on now and not derail the thread any further.

That said, the general gist of what I wrote still stands. I still request that you do not edit my posts to go against their original meaning. Editing wikis take time so respect the original author's hard work! Like I wrote, I am leaving all doors open and welcome criticism. There are plenty of options available if there is something you disagree with: PM's, this thread, or the 'discussion' part of the wiki post. Again, like I said, let us try to reach a consensus or have notes of contradicting opinions if that is not possible - but please do not edit my writings yourself. Likewise, if you add something I disagree with I will of course contact you.


I want to use this forum post as a kick-off point and medium for feedback and will also be replying with notifications of guide updates here. Brainstorm for anything regarding a guide! Do you perhaps have some material I can use (with or without crediting/linking)? Are there any special subjects you want me to cover? Do you have some advice on writing such a guide? Anything goes!

The first articles I intend to write will be about the following topics:

-Organized play versus public play. I believe there is a need to raise awareness about the much better gameplay on closed servers. Too many very active players are missing out.
-Common basic errors (basically another 'how not be to be noob' thread - I might merge it with that one if author allows it. Same with other topics already covered). I have a horribly long list just off the top of my head about stupid things even supposedly experienced players do. Some people need to get the basics down before even thinking about moving on to actual strategy topics.

More ideas for guides:

-Infantry combat tactics (tactical movement, urban combat techniques, leapfrogging, bounding overwatch, suppression fire and so on)
-The role of the commander, squad leader and squad member
-Radio usage
-Specific map, weapon and vehicle guides
-Situational awareness and improvisation
-General warfare philosophies (Sun Tzu - yes, much of this actually applies to BF2!)
-Asymmetrical warfare
-Leading fire, accounting for ping, bullet drop and bullet speed

Stay tuned!

Posted: 2007-07-03 12:04
by JDFryer
Quite frankly Strategist what makes you the overall god of tactics?

Feel free to write a guide but rather than put it on the wiki PR guide why not host it on these forums or somewhere else? At the end of the day the number of useful tactics in PR is massive and your attitude in this post seems to be that you are some sort of amazing tactical genius. Your attitude is all wrong man

Posted: 2007-07-03 12:08
by alroar
i think thats wy they invented PDF's

Posted: 2007-07-03 12:15
by ArmedDrunk&Angry
All hail his tactical Lordship !

Will the peasants be required to tithe to his Lordship ?

Will guide include information as to the proper angle of bow needed to please his Worship ?



However, should this unauthorized editing occur I will take down my guides and host them elsewhere.


We are now taking bets as to how long it will take for it to be edited.
So far the odds are: 1:1





Look at what happened to the last people that edited the Strategerist's work.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PcdbeTKnx5s

Posted: 2007-07-03 12:21
by JDFryer
I will get in on the action with $10!

Posted: 2007-07-03 12:28
by Outlawz7
-Leading fire, accounting for ping, bullet drop and bullet speed
There's something, that real life tactics wouldnt involve :lol:

Posted: 2007-07-03 12:44
by Bonsai
...do we have to pay for it once? Or every time we want to read it?

Posted: 2007-07-03 12:53
by Long Bow
Strategist I think your intention of providing a wide aray of strategy and PR tactics is a nice idea. The problem is though that tactics usually come about through experience, the more collective the experience the better the tactics can be. So in dismissing people here who have some great experience you are potentially going to produce less then good tactics.

Stick with your idea but perhaps start it as a running thread for input to make it the best it can be. Then get it polished up and into the wiki or as a sticky. :grin:

Posted: 2007-07-03 13:22
by IronTaxi
a better ide amight be to gather focused topics of information together as a compilation of possible tactics...

nothing you have posted in these forums so far has led me to believe that you are qualified to produce such a document but i do see that you a re willing to dedicate the time to make something of quality and recognize the need for such a document..

i may be wrong..i hope its good...

maybe you could open a topic thread for example..

Squad leading dos and donts and let that get filled up with ideas and then comile/sort them based on your own judgement and have that as our PR bible of sorts..

now that would be a worthy endeavour..

nothing personal but you post way too much with half baked ideas...id like to see much more thought out proposals containing far less opinion and more reasoning..

this is not a flame and i think its good that you try to think outside of the box..please feel free to PM me if you need any help or ideas (just not too often)

cheers

Posted: 2007-07-03 13:30
by M.J.Patterson
"You are generous, as you are divine, oh king of kings. Such an offer, only a madman would refuse. But the idea of kneeling, it's, uh, you see, slaughtering all those men of yours has left a nasty cramp in my leg, so kneeling will be hard for me."

;)

Posted: 2007-07-03 13:38
by IronTaxi
hey guys...he has a good idea...lets help him out...

Posted: 2007-07-03 13:40
by alroar
'[R-DEV wrote:IronTaxi']a better ide amight be to gather focused topics of information together as a compilation of possible tactics...
but he doesnt want us to help!

Posted: 2007-07-03 13:41
by dbzao

Posted: 2007-07-03 16:12
by Outlawz7
Wiki typo spotted!
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Posted: 2007-07-03 16:24
by daranz
Outlawz wrote:Wiki typo spotted!



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Excerpt

As to strategist, if you wanna get so goddamn protective of your holy, proprietary work, then don't post it on a damn wiki.

If you don't want your name on it, then don't put your name on it.

Posted: 2007-07-03 18:01
by .:iGi:. Eggenberg4Ever
ArmedDrunk&Angry wrote:All hail his tactical Lordship !

Will the peasants be required to tithe to his Lordship ?

Will guide include information as to the proper angle of bow needed to please his Worship ?



However, should this unauthorized editing occur I will take down my guides and host them elsewhere.


We are now taking bets as to how long it will take for it to be edited.
So far the odds are: 1:1





Look at what happened to the last people that edited the Strategerist's work.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PcdbeTKnx5s

LMFAO.............hey nonny-nonny My Liege, glad tidings from the front are perchance forthcoming, forsooth.

In all fairness, if there's any good tactics I'll adopt them; if not....... meh!

Posted: 2007-07-03 18:03
by Outlawz7
Yah, I actually started a Wiki article myself, see how far I get with "strategies" :D

Posted: 2007-07-03 18:51
by eggman
I can understand you wanting to have a high level of quality in the guide. But the wiki is by nature (and an intentional choice) a community tool, so other folks will edit it.

I would either:
- make it a PDF and call it your own
- get it into a robust draft state, prop it up on the wiki, finalise it with community input

If you are going to do the latter, I think MrD was looking at restructiring the wiki to be easier to digest, tho I am not sure where that is at. Just bringing that up as it's relevant to where such a guide might fit.

Posted: 2007-07-03 19:07
by 101 bassdrive
I can with dead certainty tell you that guide will come out better in the end when you let the community edit it.

Posted: 2007-07-03 19:56
by Apheirox
Long Bow wrote:So in dismissing people here who have some great experience you are potentially going to produce less then good tactics.
I will, however, be very open to suggestions and criticism and have sections detailing other people's contradicting [reasonable] views. A joint effort guide is also entirely possible.
Longbow, I am not dismissing anybody. I am only asking to be the editor, that is all. I fail to see how that is not reasonable. With this thread I in fact wanted to stretch out a hand to the community saying, 'hey, help me build some great guides!', but seeing the responses received it does not seem very likely to happen.

Eggman, thanks for your constructive response. I am definitely looking at going down the 'draft' route, just like I did with the recent update of the limited kit request system user guide thread you saw.

I hope I can produce something you will feel is an asset to your project.