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Posted: 2007-07-12 18:05
by 106th SOAR pliot
uhhh its possible like arty strikes for commander like a air stike vBf2 vid with F/A-18 runs
Posted: 2007-07-12 18:08
by Masaq
Hate to start on a negative, but F-117s don't carpet bomb; they're used for high-precision attacks on targets of strategic importance. They also operate almost exclusively at night, as I understand. Carpet bombing requires a lot more than two bombs per aircraft
The idea of using some external, scripted events is interesting and one that has been thrown about a few times before I believe- but I'm not sure how feasible it is. It'd be interesting to try it though (maybe with something similar yet simpler- such as a key bridge over a gorge being automatically destroyed and un-repairable at a certain time) but I suspect the novelty would wear off in time.
Posted: 2007-07-12 18:34
by Outlawz7
Think, a scripted air strike has been suggest as an alternative to artillery before...and its possible to do...
Posted: 2007-07-12 18:38
by ZaZZo
Someoen once made a code allowin the commander to call in airstrikes, it's one the Bf2 editor forums somewhere.
I really like the idea off an airstrike as an alternative to artillery strikes
Posted: 2007-07-12 18:40
by mammikoura
'[R-PUB wrote:Masaq']Hate to start on a negative, but F-117s don't carpet bomb; they're used for high-precision attacks on targets of strategic importance. They also operate almost exclusively at night, as I understand. Carpet bombing requires a lot more than two bombs per aircraft
that and the aircraft has already been retired from service. Or if it hasn't it will be very soon, but I think they already retired it.
But something like this would be awesome, just replace the f-117A with some other aircraft. Like for example f-22, even though it is an air superiority aircraft it will definitely be used as a strike aircraft because of it's awesome stealth capabilities. And while it can't do carpet bombing a jdam would definitely punch a hole into any kind of wall the defenders might have.
And if we want to make it easy for the devs we really wouldn't even need a model for the f-22 since it can drop the bomb from a very high altitude.
Posted: 2007-07-12 18:40
by eddie
An airstrike instead of arty sounds nice, but it would kind of derive from the point of having player controlled jets.
ZaZZo, when 0.6 comes out, we're going Merlin flying
Posted: 2007-07-12 18:44
by Outlawz7
Yeah, but jets arent on all maps...
Posted: 2007-07-12 19:14
by AnRK
I started a thread on offensive commander assets a while ago and apparently this kinda things in the pipeline.
Posted: 2007-07-12 20:00
by Crusader09
The F-117 was retired I believe after the F-22 came into service.
Posted: 2007-07-12 20:28
by Falkun
I understand what you're talking about; it should be thought of as an arty barrage that can't be controlled by anyone, and happens at set intervals of time. This would give some maps a nice atmosphere.
Another thing that would be interesting that is along the lines of what we're talking about, would be fighter air strikes that could be called in...similar to those of WIC for those of us who have played it. Basically, a scripted air strike that is not against a ground target, but rather against an air target instead.
Posted: 2007-07-12 22:33
by El_Vikingo
You could just add "The landscape was bombarded heavily" in the map description.
Posted: 2007-07-13 03:55
by nick20404
This would be better if it were a commander asst and you can call for a air strike for like 2 500lb bombs or 1000lb..
Posted: 2007-07-13 04:28
by CAS_117
Outlawz wrote:Yeah, but jets arent on all maps...
Well, we have our solution...
Posted: 2007-07-13 09:30
by mammikoura
Jonny wrote:I do NOT mean as an arty strike, the CO could not call this strike in or affect it, it is already on the way and will happen no matter what anyone does (except if the defenders win).
I also want to see the planes come in low and fast, the sonic boom would mark a turning point in the game where the real fight would begin, with a large dust cloud over the target area and craters (produced by destroying statics set into mapped craters where the bombs would hit so afterwards the ground is no longer level, a finite number of impact points removes the need to change the shape of the terrain mid game) as assault forces move in and the defenders stream out of buildings to engage them in alley ways between tall warehouses instead of just keeping the perimeter wall manned and repelling attackers.
I totally agree with not making it a commander asset, then it wouldn't really be any different from the arty. Having it attack some point in the defences at random times would be the best option.
But then to the second paragraph. In modern warfare aircraft WILL NOT fly low in enemy air space. There just is no point in doing that anymore, that is like ww2 stuff. Back then you either had to be near the target, or have a shit load of bombs if you wanted to do any damage to the target. Nowadays we can hit & destroy our targets with a single bomb from 30 000 feet so there really isn't any point in going to like 5 000 because the lower you are, the more vulnerable you are.
Posted: 2007-07-13 10:16
by Darkpowder
Jonny wrote:
2) NOT an arty strike, it will happen on its own
Not realistic, airstrikes do not operate independent of the request of ground tropps / commanders.
3) Semi random impact points to avoid it getting boring (see post #5 and brackets in 2nd para of #11)
Very few airstrikes are semi-random, especially a F117. They are also predominantly night-fighters, as they are not invisible to the naked eye (and AAA gunfire).
If we were coding a Vietnam Mod, with large scale carpet bombing, yes otherwise, i don't think your example fits this mod.
Lastly we HAVE air-assets to deliver airstrikes, people just need better communication with their aircraft to deliver accurate and effective air-support
Things we need are Mortars, and if people still want "remote" off-map assets.
Bring in the B2 with JDAM. (perhaps one singular drop every so often, or once per map).
Off-map single artillery barrage?
Off-map or high-speed airdrops of various type of equipment, light vehicles.
Posted: 2007-07-13 13:21
by mav3r1c
I think this is a good idea, and I know you don't want it to be a commander asset, but like dark powder said the commander would have to coordinate it with the jets. So you could either put it in the map description that air support is on the way, or the commander could just have another thing in the commander screen that calls in the jets. He wouldn't get to choose where they go he would tell them when to strike. And then a countdown could start that the CO and SLs can see or something like that. But if you really don't want the CO to have anything to do with it, cause sometimes there is no CO, just put it in the map description.