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Another gameplay change we are working on is improving the spotting system. It can be easily exploitable and it has unrealistic features that we want to remove.

We think it doesn't make sense that a grunt in a ditch somewhere can spot an enemy and instantly provide his entire team the enemy's position, movement and type (infantry, sniper, vehicle, tank, etc).

Also if you have played PR for some time, you may have noticed that the easiest way to get an enemy location is not to use your eyes, but Q spam an area and hope that the system "catches" that location.

First, infantry can't auto-spot. You still have the "spotted" option in the Q comm rose but that can only be used to shout a message to close-by troops that you have seen enemy forces. Pay attention to where your team mates are looking when spotting and you can help them out.

Second, vehicles can auto-spot, but only other vehicles. Auto-spotting vehicles isn't much of an exploit like it is with infantry. They are bigger and louder, easier to spot. We think reporting single infantry positions is not realistic, and having a red circle moving in the map, showing exactly where he is, is not realistic either. You can still Q spot the area with some "question marks" that wont move around, but will give your team mates an approximate location of the enemy.

Third, squad leaders receive a special mix of the spotting system. In addition to the points above, they can right-click the Q comm rose or right-click on the map and select an option from a list to mark that location. Like in v0.6, only important spottings are transmitted over the radio. Internally, we say that the squad leader is carrying a radio on his back and is responsible for reporting enemy activies higher in the chain of command. We know that in real life it's another squad member's role, but having a squad limited to six players and the voip system as it is, we think it's a good compromise.

We think this is a great improvement to the mod as it removes the problems mentioned in the beginning and forces players to rely on squad communication and their own eyes to be successful, instead of a blinking red circle moving around the minimap.

Other updates in gameplay will also improve these changes, but that is a topic for another post

Great i like the SL idea

Sweet , so how about the big green friendlies all over the map? are they gone too? *crosss fingers*

PR is like making vodka, all impurities must be removed

Hmm, does that mean, that there will be no more red dots on map, only question marks and manually spotted?

Will infantry spotting a tank still appear as a red tank on map, but without the text (as it is atm)?

Every thing that will remove/fix "Q spam" is a good thing

Ragni<RangersPL> wrote:Every thing that will remove/fix "Q spam" is a good thing

Right !

But, is it possible to make a model of a radio, or an antena on the SL backpack to simulate that there is a radion with him ?

The idea of "shout" tho the squad members is great.

Every new PR version that is going to come out is a bunch of surprises and revolutions on the game play.


Thank you DEVs, GREAT WORK.

I like it, while on the subject, could you add: "Weapon cache located, here" on ins, and make it stay till the cache has been destroyed?

I hope it's OK to post it here, if not please forgive me.

nice idea, to bring more realistic gameplay into PR.

Great idea!
Nice work again Dev's

Yet again i wanna make love to PR DEV's...

Ok how i understand this changes we will in 0,7 nearly the same spotting system have like in FH2.
The problem here will be that we will have a lot of teamkills in 0,7 because we dont have the chance to identify the enemy.
So I´m just waiting for threads like this "Just teamkills and this destroye the mod..."

well.. maybe there will be a little more teamkills right after 0.7 is released, but when people figure out how to "play again" it will proboably return to normal.. I really like the idea!

The spotting system is not the reason of the TKs in FH2. The reason are players not used to the lack of nametags at distance. That was the same problem in PR when we did it 4 releases ago and will remain the same for newcomers on this one.

I don´t say that this is the reason of the teamkills in FH2, we tested it for month and we didn´t have so much teamkills. Many of the teamkills at the moment are just nobish sounds hard but it´s so.
But back to topic. PR isn´t FH2. In PR we fight on other distances and lots of uniforms looking similar thats why the spotting system is the only effective system to differ friend and enemy.

I'm a little confused. Can infantry spot vehicles only? Or can vehicles and SLs spot vehicles only and nobody can spot infantry?

How i understand this everyone can spot everything but just the SL can spot like in 0,6 so that everyone can see it on the minimap. The other guys also spot enemys but it isnt show at the minimap you just hear a sound like "enemy ... spotted"

i like the changes but i think anyone should be able to right click and spot like the sl.

Actually, can we keep the moving red dot infantry spotting, but make it squad internal? Because if you're in a tank and someone else in your squad, who's also in a tank, spots something, he won't jump out of the hatch and shout "Yo, enemy sniper spotted over there!"

yes hallo right

the ONLY time something will be auto-spotted and tracks is when your in a vehicle, spotting OTHER vehicles.