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I think its common knowledge that the GBs don't use the SRAW, nor do they appear to have any intention to use it for the foreseeable future yet there it is as the British HAT kit.

I was rather surprised to come across this little beauty of an AT weapon as it is a near mirror of the SRAW, but is actually used by the Brits! It's called the MBT LAW manufactured in Sweden and being purchased as a replacement for the AT-4 and LAW-80 (so isn't the SRAW to replace the AT-4, but the USMC still has it as its LAT). It is currently not in service, but given the near future aspect of PR, it isn't that far fetched, or at least, certainly not as far fetched as them Brits using an SRAW.

Wiki link for easy reference: Here.

Youtube vid of it: Here.

hey thats a pretty cool weapon, and i dont think its gonna be used so far in the future that it would be unrealistic to put in the mod. i would really like to see the sraw get completely replaced anwyay, the program was cancelled and its not in use with anyone afaik. i wish the devs could come to some sort of compromise on the javelin for the usmc. and it would be cool to see this mbt law for the brits.

That looks quite neat, but be advised that under no circumstances is a wikipedia link a real reference. Just look at the bottom and find the citation links.

Army Technology - MBT LAW Light Anti-Tank Weapon

Anyhow, I'm all for it, but this just gives the DEVs one more weapon to model and implement, and I'm pretty sure that's the last thing they want on their plates.

charliegrs wrote:hey thats a pretty cool weapon, and i dont think its gonna be used so far in the future that it would be unrealistic to put in the mod. i would really like to see the sraw get completely replaced anwyay, the program was cancelled and its not in use with anyone afaik. i wish the devs could come to some sort of compromise on the javelin for the usmc. and it would be cool to see this mbt law for the brits.

Its going to be implemented in a few years and since the PR timeline isn't set, there really isn't anything unrealistic about it. I would prefer that you do some research before posting. Checking Lockheed Martin's website, there is no mention of the Predator being canceled so I would like to see some sources in that respect.

BloodBane611 wrote:That looks quite neat, but be advised that under no circumstances is a wikipedia link a real reference. Just look at the bottom and find the citation links.

Army Technology - MBT LAW Light Anti-Tank Weapon

Anyhow, I'm all for it, but this just gives the DEVs one more weapon to model and implement, and I'm pretty sure that's the last thing they want on their plates.

I used wikipedia because its an easy and quick reference for somebody glancing at this thread. It's easier to use than sifting through the wordy garbage of other websites. Trust me, I do research before posting, but anyways, beside the point.

On topic, there are PLENTY of talented community modders out there. I'm sure that there is somebody out there willing to do this.

looks like the crysis bazooka to me lol

If it isn't in service now and is widespread I don't think you can sell this to the devs. But hell yea that was cool.

Question: How many millions do these guys waste on armoured vehicles to destroy ROFL?

The MBT LAW is intended to be issued like the AT4/ILAW and LAW-80, as a round of ammunition; though guided, it's a single shot disposable weapon. It wouldn't be appropriate for "heavy AT" kit. The UK uses the Javelin as its medium (or, "heavy, but still man-portable") ATGM system.

The SRAW has always been a placeholder as the SRAW/MPIM project was canceled after a small production batch.

Wait, if the SRAW is a place holder, and we're NOT putting the jav in for "balance reasons", then what are we replacing the SRAW with?

Expendable Grunt wrote:Wait, if the SRAW is a place holder, and we're NOT putting the jav in for "balance reasons", then what are we replacing the SRAW with?

Still trying to find a way to get the Javelin in-game. Short of that . . . how does the Nikita sound to you? (Joking, of course)

Have you guys tried the Javelin before? I've seen somewhere that there was either a Single Player Javelin mod or you guys had tested a javelin in game before. Forgive me if this ramble is hard to understand. I'm trying to remember where I saw the missile system before.

EDIT- I found the single player Javelin I was talking about:
Javelin -a weapon for BF2. - Battlefield SinglePlayer Forum

.............. No they havnt

BetterDeadThanRed wrote:Its going to be implemented in a few years and since the PR timeline isn't set, there really isn't anything unrealistic about it. I would prefer that you do some research before posting. Checking Lockheed Martin's website, there is no mention of the Predator being canceled so I would like to see some sources in that respect.

man i was AGREEING with you, i basically said that since it will be in use in a couple years, that it wouldnt be unrealistic to have it in the mod.

The MBT LAW entered service in the British Armed Forces end of last year, feel free to browse the Armed Forces website for the facts rather than wiki for the fiction (though it wasn't far off in this case). Though it is not clear if it has reached active service yet, or merely sitting in a warehouse waiting for issue to the frontlines.

If the British Army is modelled realistically, the MBT LAW would be the LAT and the Javelin would be the HAT.

BetterDeadThanRed wrote:Its going to be implemented in a few years and since the PR timeline isn't set, there really isn't anything unrealistic about it. I would prefer that you do some research before posting. Checking Lockheed Martin's website, there is no mention of the Predator being canceled so I would like to see some sources in that respect.

The PR time-line is set at 2013. Don't ask me why.

From Jane's Infantry Weapons:

"In February 2002, the US Marine Corps signed an initial contract for 330 low-rate initial production versions of Predator. The contract was worth USD39 million, this sum coming from funds remaining from the FY01 budget. Out of the contract, 34 units were to be employed for first article testing during FY03. In October 2003, the Marine Corps announced that it was cancelling Predator. An analysis of engagements in the invasion of Iraq showed that the service already had sufficient tank-killing capability. At that point, two low-rate production contracts had been placed, the first for 330 and a second for 425. A year later, the Marines announced that they would swap out the warheads of the initial batch of missiles to a blast-fragmentation type and modify the software to permit direct attack of targets such as buildings and bunkers. This work is being performed by Lockheed Martin."

From Defense Industry Daily:

"In February 2002, the United States Marine Corps signed a contract with Lockheed Martin for low-rate initial production (LRIP) of 330 Predator systems. A second LRIP contract for 400 systems was signed in January 2003, after which further production was cancelled."

Fast Predator Turnaround Delivers Urban Assault Punch to Marines (defense procurement, military acquisition, defence purchasing)


From Special Operations Technology:

"A recent check on program status drew the following response from a Lockheed Martin spokesperson: “All of the government-funded production equipment has been returned to government control. It’s our understanding that there is testing still ongoing with the Marine Corps to demonstrate the system’s effectiveness, but there are no plans to re-open production at this time or to offer this weapons system to the marketplace. Lockheed Martin is exploring several new concepts to re-enter the shoulder-fired market, available in the near term.”

Bunker Busters - by Scott Gourley - Special Operations Technology

If you look at Lockheed's website, they list under their products plenty of systems that are no longer manufactured (such as the Polaris missile, the F-14 IR Search and Tracking pod), just as other manufacturers have pages for their legacy systems and prototypes.

DeePsix wrote:Have you guys tried the Javelin before? I've seen somewhere that there was either a Single Player Javelin mod or you guys had tested a javelin in game before. Forgive me if this ramble is hard to understand. I'm trying to remember where I saw the missile system before.

EDIT- I found the single player Javelin I was talking about:
Javelin -a weapon for BF2. - Battlefield SinglePlayer Forum

I found this video on Youtube a while back while looking at some bf2 stuff, is the description accurate?

Added: December 27, 2006
Project Reality MOD Ver0.5
New limited kit weapon.
US&UK Heavy Anti Tank Kit.
Engaging to T-55 with using javelin missile top atack mode.
This missile forrowing direct atack mode too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0-97NIHa0E[/youtube]

If that was from PR 0.5, what happened with it?

I found that too, I really don't know if it was in PR. I'd need a Dev to confirm it as Youtube is almost as credible as Wikipedia at times...

YouTube - MBT LAW DEMO
watch that carefully and you shall see the British Soldiers watching the trials of this weapon, this is a very realistic suggestion behind you 100% of the way, although why carnt the Javelin be introduced in just the Direct Fire Mode.

i still dont get why the at-4 cant blow up crappy chinese apc's when it is an "anti-tank" weapon

DeePsix wrote:I found that too, I really don't know if it was in PR. I'd need a Dev to confirm it as Youtube is almost as credible as Wikipedia at times...

The Javelin was in a test build of .5 that was not released. Not only were there bugs, there was just no stopping the damn thing; it was a guaranteed kill and really bad for gameplay. We're still trying to find a way to get a realistic balance of power between the other ATGMs and tanks/IFVs/APCs, and until that happens, I don't see it making a comeback until much later.

it was a guaranteed kill and really bad for gameplay

Yeah, unfortunately for gamers the Javelin is one of the most effective weapon systems ever designed by man, so any realistic portrayal is ridiculously overpowered. But it's good for those (real) infantryman who need to take out armor in a hurry.