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This is a problem.

The issue lies within the idea that one has "dibs" on an airplane by waiting out the respawn time with a pilot kit in the position of the spawning airplane. This is supposed to bring about sympathy for that said individual from other team members. Were this a perfect world, with no d-bags, then perhaps I wouldn't mind so much.

However, I am simply amazed at the two events that have happened tonight on two different servers. The first time around, I was waiting for an a10 for the 20 minutes it takes to respawn. There was nobody in sight on the base. As soon as it respawns it seems a team mate respawns at the same moment, and guns me down as I race him to the a10 that I have "earned." There was apparently no admin in the server because there was no response when I called for justice. I thought I could instill vengeance myself but I was one L-AT round too late and two took off. Shortly afterwards, I was banned from the server for cursing at him.

Then, I entered a more populated and respected server where Kashan was just beginning and I made an air squad along with a fellow buddy. We waited our 20 minutes while somewhere midway a guy joined the squad and I told him we had enough people and asked him to leave. After kicking him out for not cooperating he kept joining back (I wasn't sure if I could lock the squad due to some servers having an issue with the lock bug). This guy goes afk for 10 mins and magically returned to keyboard as soon as the a10 spawns, races me and wins. I was pleading that he would get out because I was upset that I had essentially wasted an hour doing nothing, but before he did he shot up the runway. In the excitement/relief that pursued and the little time left I had to fly because I had to go somewhere soon, apparently something was a little off in my "lining up" with the strip of land to the right of the runway and I crashed the plane right at the very end with the right wing making contact with the barrier. This procedure I performed successfully almost all the time on practice servers so i guess I was just too anxious and that set me off. I also set off the a10 for another 20 mins for the rest of the team, making me look like the d-bag

Now, I have been playing project reality since the release of 0.5 and I have never had a chance to fly a fixed wing. People keep saying go practice on local servers before you join in, but there is only so much you can do practicing alone and the real experience comes from the game. Some servers preach that everyone should share the assets equally but surely that is not their practice, as it always seems the pilots who've made themselves a reputation have the better position in the argument.

My suggestion is to lower the spawn timer of the a10, and other assest, by half or more. Sure it takes away from the "win" that one gets when they destroy a piece of equipment that took 20 mins to respawn. However, I think itll bring about more fun and oppurtunities for new pilots, more people requesting manpads, and generally less arguing. Perhaps, there is a better alternative; I'm all ears.

So....you are upset that you werent fast enough to get the A10....twice.
And then upset that you crashed it and looked like a "d-bag"....
and for these reasons they should change the game for you?

You do know that there are downloadable practice maps right?

i pity u for not getting to fly yet, but are u honestly thinking you are more privileged to fly an aircraft/use an asset because you blocked a server slot for 20 min, where you could have helped you team out with some minor duties but instead did nothing for the team?

anyhow - a10 are so strong i imagine kashan... no one would want to drive armor anymore, also we already got too few ppl doing infantry jobs (imho) and life as ground trooper is hard enuff already
so personally i don't see that happening because of balance problems, as you mentioned

alternatively maybe there could be a new map that focuses more on flying

i promote the idea, that ppl who want to get some field experience should get more opportunities, i would have wanted to fly as well, but i always made way for more experienced players for the teams sake

i dont see how shoving a LAT round up his arse is going to help.

people get really bad over the A-10, yesterday after flying for 30mins i landed for rearming and people started jumping on it and sitting on the runway (this was on WTF Kashan server.)

Me, S.P.C reality and [TG]Ghost dog were in a pilots squad yesterday and we didnt wait around for aircraft we took an APC and some AA, went off to north village killed some troops and went back again when the plane spawned.

only one time did someone else take the Frogfoot (noob crashed it 2 mins later)

dont just sit around the base with the pilot kit go out and do somthing.

if im ever in a pilots squad and we have a plane up, i sit in the AA and get the pilot to flyover if he gets anything on his tail.

noobs are a fact of life. but don't lower yourself to their level by sitting in the base with the pilot kit doing nothing.

and whatever you do don't Teamkill them in the Jet!! for all you know they might have been a good pilot just with out and courtesy so its not worth destroying valuable assests.

SuperTimo is right.....get out and be usefull to the team while you wait.....
Get the sniper kit and go waste time in the mountains! J/K

Seriously dont just wait on the airfield....get out there and kill something!

Don't go to the WTF Kashan server, it's just chaos over there.

How about guys who assing their squad something related to aircraft and then think they are the only ones allowed to fly them. I had one of these fellas come up to me after he'd just crashed/got shot down in the first A10 and start jabbering on how his squad was called A10 and I should let him have the plane. Well I didn't agree with him so he TK'd me.

Every one who's put in the practice hours in training and knows they can be an advantage to the team has equal rights to the planes. But if there's already someone waiting for 1 dont cut in line.

Well, I was under the impression that you had to wait for the aircraft to spawn, so that other people would see that you are there and they themselves wouldn't get a pilot kit and wait for it to spawn. In fact, I have always thought calling a squad named "a10" or "air" and then leaving and doing something else to be even more d-baggy because what gives you the right for the aircraft in that case?

RCMoonPie wrote: You do know that there are downloadable practice maps right?

Have you not read my post? 4th paragraph mentions that I have played many times on practice maps. My alignment was off just a little, but enough to make my right wing clip the right barrier, although I have always taken off like that in the practice maps. Just a case of bad luck.

SuperTimo wrote:i dont see how shoving a LAT round up his arse is going to help.

Okay, perhaps I acted irrationally but thats what happens when I don't ever get a chance to fly within two releases and have an a10 stolen right before my nose via a teamkill. And this wasn't WTF Kashan, it was another server. It seems though that the teamkiller was kicked when I checked qtracker (I am banned) but that wouldn't have given the plane back so I don't mind.


So tell me all of you who've gotten a chance to fly. What do you do to get that chance? You make a squad called "air" or similar? You go out and help the team until the air vehicles spawn? How do you make sure that some other guy won't be waiting while you were gone from the base? How do you justify that that guy doesn't have a right to fly since he was waiting and all you did was make a squad called air while you were helping the team elsewhere?

this exact reason is why i barely play PR anymore. Theres no respect for those who have waited for a plane for 20 mins. don't say i shouldn't stand around not contributing because us pilots if good contribute alloot to the team. respawn time should be reduced or admins should me more strict and kick for this kind of disgusting disrespect that you get when a vehicles is 'stolen'. thats nilla noobs for ya.

crAck_sh0t wrote:this exact reason is why i barely play PR anymore. Theres no respect for those who have waited for a plane for 20 mins. don't say i shouldn't stand around not contributing because us pilots if good contribute alloot to the team. respawn time should be reduced or admins should me more strict and kick for this kind of disgusting disrespect that you get when a vehicles is 'stolen'. thats nilla noobs for ya.

problem being is how should the person who sees u wait no that ur any good and let u waste a asset ?? ive seen good pilots who i know waiting so i let them, then i see some random dude wait for 10 mins then flip the chopper within 30 seconds..

so what your saying is you think only people with a reputation deserve to fly?

seems unfair when theres plentty of good pilots out there who don't like to show off.

crAck_sh0t wrote:so what your saying is you think only people with a reputation deserve to fly?

not in the slightest, just showing the other side of the argument, if some absolute noob who crashes all the time beats me to the chopper pad and waits 10 mins dose he deserve to fly ?? he has been waiting for it..

gazzthompson wrote:problem being is how should the person who sees u wait no that ur any good and let u waste a asset ?? ive seen good pilots who i know waiting so i let them, then i see some random dude wait for 10 mins then flip the chopper within 30 seconds..

Ask them if they know what they're doing and maybe inform them about the practice mod(most people don't know about it). If they can't fly and arent d-bags they'll go practice and come back when they can. Sadly it only takes 1 jackass to ruin it for the rest.

TheOak82 wrote:Ask them if they know what they're doing and maybe inform them about the practice mod(most people don't know about it). If they can't fly and arent d-bags they'll go practice and come back when they can. Sadly it only takes 1 jackass to ruin it for the rest.

chances are if they are stupid enough to flip a chopper over and over again, even if i ask them they will say they are the best pilot ever

Gosh, if they waited for their ten minutes, give them a shot. If they are bad (flip over, etc), direct them to practice maps. They are most likely not to waste another 10 minutes waiting.

Is there a limit on the number of pilot kits issued at any one time? If not, i'd suggest a strict limit, perhaps be evil and only allow 1 less than is actually required!

Also how about stopping people from being a pilot more than once in a round. Let soeone else have a go?

I must say however I have no sympathy for people who wait around on the runways and helipads. You know what BF2 is like. I'm afraid its a like it or lump situation. I decided to lump it cos I haven't flown in PR 0.7/0.6 once.

bullit_toof wrote:Is there a limit on the number of pilot kits issued at any one time? If not, i'd suggest a strict limit, perhaps be evil and only allow 1 less than is actually required!

might be an option

bullit_toof wrote:Also how about stopping people from being a pilot more than once in a round. Let soeone else have a go?

just no, its not about letting ppl "have a go" its about helping your team.

bullit_toof wrote:I must say however I have no sympathy for people who wait around on the runways and helipads. You know what BF2 is like. I'm afraid its a like it or lump situation. I decided to lump it cos I haven't flown in PR 0.7/0.6 once.

what about setting a timer so u cant stand around the helipads for more then 120 seconds before you instant die.

markonymous wrote: what about setting a timer so u cant stand around the helipads for more then 120 seconds before you instant die.

Thats' doable but what about the time, when a pilot lands and he sits around that dome of death spot for several minutes taxiing and rearming?

markonymous wrote:
just no, its not about letting ppl "have a go" its about helping your team.

Yes true but perhaps they (good pilots) could help your team in another way? Good point though. Its sad we'd have to disadvantage the talented because of a bad few eggs!

markonymous wrote:
what about setting a timer so u cant stand around the helipads for more then 120 seconds before you instant die.

LOL, would love to see all the newbie pilots typing frantically, asking how they just died. Its a shame why can't use the stats system to some how allow or deny people into the aircraft depending on how long they've spent flying them in the training servers?

I think SnipingCoward has a great idea. Maybe in the next patch, one of the new maps is a large desert map with about five or more planes, more of a vehicle map. There already is a vehicle map, but it only has one plane.

TheOak82 wrote:Ask them if they know what they're doing and maybe inform them about the practice mod(most people don't know about it). If they can't fly and arent d-bags they'll go practice and come back when they can. Sadly it only takes 1 jackass to ruin it for the rest.

Heres a solution....what about setting it so only people who have attained a certain rank can acces the pilot class in public servers. Maybe you should have to at least attain the rank of Corporal. This wouldnt effect those who have been in game for quite some time and it gives those who are just starting out something to strive for, keep them playing PR rugularly and indirectly keeping more people in servers.
Surely by the rank of corporal, they will have had time to read the manual, download and practice in a practice server and have some inkling of what is "expected" of them as pilots for the benefit of the game...not just their personal enjoyment.

Just a suggestion.