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I think you should also add in the Type-95 for assault for the PLA.

http://world.guns.ru/assault/as39-e.htm

halo style

I say give it to mec because there guns suck.

Are you kiidng me. And anyway why would you give a CHinese gun to MEC...

Its not a chinese the swat has it in cs

Dude, the Type 95 is defiantly a Chinese gun.

And thats not what they get in CS, they get the French made Clarion or whatever. They just look similar.

"I say give it to mec because there guns suck."

I'm sorry guys. This is never a valid reason to suggest something.

The QBZ-95 is not a single rifle. It is actually modern family of small arms firing the Chinese 5.8mm cartrige. Without a doubt, it will be widespread in frontline units by the projected time of our battles. The rifles currently shown in the game are the carbine and LMG versions on the SpecFor and Support classes. These models are far below the level of quality and detail we've seen on the beautiful in-house weapons and I'd hope to see them replaced.

For full information on the QBZ-95, I recommend this site: http://www.sinodefence.com/army/individual/rifle_95.asp

mav3r1c wrote:And thats not what they get in CS, they get the French made Clarion or whatever. They just look similar.

Clarion is the CS name for a FN Famas. Knowing the Chinese, they probably "borrowed" quite heavily from the Famas...

NikovK: they show two rifles from the family right, the Sniper kit rifle, and the Support kit. The one listed for the Spec-Ops kit is the QBZ-97, a 5.56 NATO-chambered export version of the carbine that accepts STANAG (NATO-standard) magazines.

It would be nice to get rid of the AK series for the Chinese side all together, since they'd be using rifles from the QBZ-95 family, too.

{YBBS}Sage wrote:Clarion is the CS name for a FN Famas. Knowing the
NikovK: they show two rifles from the family right, the Sniper kit rifle, and the Support kit.

The Support kit's version is known as the QBB-95. The sniper rifle in BF2 is the Type 88 Sniper, or the QBU-88. The other Type 88 weapon is the QJY-88 5.8mm GPMG. http://www.sinodefence.com/army/crewserved/mg_58.asp

{YBBS}Sage wrote:The one listed for the Spec-Ops kit is the QBZ-97, a 5.56 NATO-chambered export version of the carbine that accepts STANAG (NATO-standard) magazines.

Which doesn't make any sense. The QBZ-97, being an export version of the QBZ-95, is not intended for Chinese domestic use. Additionally, the carbine version of the QBZ-95 is called the CAR-95.

{YBBS}Sage wrote:It would be nice to get rid of the AK series for the Chinese side all together, since they'd be using rifles from the QBZ-95 family, too.

The QBZ-95 family is still only fielded in limited numbers. It's much more common to see the Type 81 family of weapons in front-line use. The Type 56 Assault Rifle is only still seen in rear echelons.

Xeno426 wrote:The QBZ-95 family is still only fielded in limited numbers. It's much more common to see the Type 81 family of weapons in front-line use. The Type 56 Assault Rifle is only still seen in rear echelons.

Which isnt an issue as the game takes place in the near future (~2007, see Wake) and its all out war, ie production and development should see a 10x boost to equip new soldiers with new equipment.

I'm thinking by the time this rolls around most front-line units will be using the 95's. I'm not sure the 95 was borrowed from the French, from what I understand the nation wanted an internal, indigenous rifle because they were tired of using Russian pattern hardware. They're definately shifting away from the AK family nowdays.

The QBU-88 and QBZ-95 are definitely related. And my whole point with spec-ops using the QBZ-97 was that it's rediculous to issue them an export rifle (though with the SCAR-H having a "battlefield pick-up option of accepting AK-47 mags and firing 7.62x39.... maybe some Chinese operators would be issued that gun. But I digress)

Mixing -88/-95 arms with AK47-style rifles in the same squad most probably wouldn't be done. It wouldn't make sense for them not to be able to share ammo, among other things (be more of a PITA to keep the guns in repair...)

"I say give it to mec because there guns suck."

I'm sorry guys. This is never a valid reason to suggest something.

Uh... I never suggested this so I hope you meant guys as in singular...

And as for the Clairon thing, I know its the FAMAS. I just forgot they re-named it in CS sorry. That gun was pretty good in Raven Shield...

{YBBS}Sage wrote:The QBU-88 and QBZ-95 are definitely related.

I don't doubt that they are, seeing as they were developed at nearly the same time and for the same round, but they are not the same gun. You can't take parts from a QBU-88 and put them into a QBZ-95.

{YBBS}Sage wrote:though with the SCAR-H having a "battlefield pick-up option of accepting AK-47 mags and firing 7.62x39.... maybe some Chinese operators would be issued that gun. But I digress)

I thought about that too, but I also realized that those kinds of situations only really occure well behind enemy lines, something like Delta Force. The way the SpecOps kit is used right now, they're in the thick of it with the rest of the army, and so shouldn't have any need to salvage ammo from the enemy.

dawdler wrote:Which isnt an issue as the game takes place in the near future (~2007, see Wake) and its all out war, ie production and development should see a 10x boost to equip new soldiers with new equipment.

It is an issue to us military advisors. Once again, it takes place next year and the BF2 stock storyline/setting may not always be kept.

Xeno is correct, as of this day the Type-95 family is still issued only in limited numbers, to elements of the PLA rapid deployment forces (special operations, airborne forces and marine infantry), and there has been disappointment with the weapon to the point that they may be returned for redesign or remanufacturing. The Type-81 (similar to the Kalashnikov family) is still the most common issue in the PLA and probably will be for quite some time.

Then add them.

Heydude235 wrote:Its not a chinese the swat has it in cs

hey dude that isn't the gun on CS you're thinking about the FAMAS G-1. the Type 95 is a chinese weapon