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Spawntime Battlechoppers and so on

Posted: 2008-04-15 12:29
by @bsurd
Hi guys!

Very nice mod, but now after i have seen other server settings i have 2 ask this question now.

Do you think Spawntimes and number of spawning vehicles is good so as it is now?

If i play on a server and wanne fly with my m8 its a boring long wait 4 it.

Because 20 min of Spawntime and many guys who wanne fly it. And you have 2 wait because if you go back in fight and come 10 or 15 min later back 2 watch the heli, there are some guys waiting and im not a vehicle stealer... So no fly arround. And i seen it so often that there are many guys stand and wait for heli or jet... and only 1 spwans, but 10 ppl waiting.(Because they wanne steal and not wait so long, or they are angry that it get wrecked and they dont know when it spawns again.)

Now a clan has set up other settings on quingling. There are no jets and for that they have a spawntime 4 attack chopper of only 3 min, and there are 3 spawning in a row.

First i thinked ok now everyone wanne fly, and there are no more ground troops... But the opposite happend, now if there are "enough" spawning vehicles erveryone takes a look, and when there is nothing 2 fly the guys go back in fight and checked it next time.

It was the greatest fights ever. Really god chopper dogfights, guys used soflam because there are now choppers in air witch fired @ the laser mark and so on, and so on.

I know this mod is build for inv fights, but there are so much good maps and so nice attack choppers, but on the most servers these maps dont running, or even without attack choppers.(Beacause i think the admins dont want that the half team waits in main for something 2 fly...)

This i find not good, and i only want 2 think about lets say 10 min spawntime and not only 1 attack chopper...

Sry 4 my bad english, but i have 2 post this now.

Thanks for reading this and i hope to get an answer...

Posted: 2008-04-15 12:32
by bosco_
What server was that?

Posted: 2008-04-15 12:33
by MAINERROR
O.O Please WHAT?!

Posted: 2008-04-15 12:34
by @bsurd
thors brigade, but they only changed it on the map quingling.

Take a look, never had so much fun :-)

Posted: 2008-04-15 12:42
by Mora
Ye ive seen it too. It just works really good. Although there are not 4 choppers but 3 . i wish every server had this.

Posted: 2008-04-15 13:15
by AfterDune
@bsurd wrote:long post
The mod isn't made for infantry only. Certainly not ;) .
(if I understand you correctly with your use of "inv"? as in, "inf"?)

I dislike the idea of having loads of attack choppers available. Certainly doesn't make you appreciate the availability of choppers! If you crash or get shot down, you should be punished for that, with NOT having a chopper for a certain amount of time.

Posted: 2008-04-15 13:15
by nedlands1
We can't have everyone doing one thing can we (such as flying)? How is it realistic or fun? What happens to all those teamwork elements which require some people to adopt one role and others another (as in the case of lasing targets for aircraft)?

Posted: 2008-04-15 13:46
by @bsurd
wow fast answers... :-)

you are right, only 3 but its ok so!

With this punish i understand 2. But the problem is, that if the guys then stand and wait (waste) 20 min to wait for the spawn, you dont only punish the pilot, you punish the whole team...

Dont get me wrong, i find it good, that there are longer spawntimes as in all the other games, but 20 min... Sry this is boring i think...

Or let the spawn time so high, and for that let spawn 2 or 3 of these nice toys :-)

And @ these answers here, you so that more ppl. feel like me :-)

So think about it. :-)

I dont know why more admins set down the times in server config.

I think i have 2 post the question how i can get the server files of this nice game. think its time for our own server, and serverconfigs.

Now i know how 2 get it full. Set up these settings 3 min /3 choppers and name the server airfights... i think 10 min. later he is full. I ever see this on thors. the map quingling starts an the server is full in minutes :-)

@ Mora, nice vid! Dont be in the tank if you and your pilot up in air :-)

I love this hellfires! Im a gunner to :-)

Posted: 2008-04-15 13:56
by darkNight
Yep. 20 mins are WAY TO LONG! Really..

Posted: 2008-04-15 13:58
by MAINERROR
Well I know that the server owner could have major troubles cause of that cause you are not allowed to change the spawntimes and number of vehicles on a public server only on private servers.

Posted: 2008-04-15 13:58
by Enko
Or to solve both problems (in a way) you could have Chopper spawn time low but put the kit spawn time high, preventing bad pilots from stealing helicopters constantly as well as providing the punishment for being shot down for regular players.

Posted: 2008-04-15 14:00
by nedlands1
Enko wrote:Or to solve both problems (in a way) you could have Chopper spawn time low but put the kit spawn time high, preventing bad pilots from stealing helicopters constantly as well as providing the punishment for being shot down for regular players.
Genius.

Posted: 2008-04-15 14:10
by Dunehunter
Hm, I thought there were a lot of choppers...was pretty fun, but maybe just a tiny bit too much. No one seemed to mind losing one.

Posted: 2008-04-15 14:12
by Cp
people would TK other pilots like mad for the kits.


I had the chance to play qinglin on thors a couple of days ago, had a great time flying, I believe i was in the same squad as mora, but not the same chopper anyways:

Though 3 min x choppers is nice for chopper whores (like me) It really upsets the balance, both sides only have 3 tanks (the main target for attack chopper) and they are also on 3 min spawn, this makes it a bit overkill and shooting down a chopper aint that easy and whats the point of even dragging that stinger around if the chopper respawns faster than you can shoot.

Quinlin is perfect as it is IMO, the choppers are too powerful to have 3 of, and the 3 minute spawntime reminds me of vanilla.

Posted: 2008-04-15 14:17
by Dempsey
Never read so much rubbish, you truly do not understand how reality is trying to recreate the real battlefield.

Posted: 2008-04-15 14:18
by Deadfast
If I shoot down a chopper I want to be rewarded.

And the exact same chopper flying over my head 3 mins later is not that type of reward I look for.


Choppers and such are valuable assets for the team. Their loss has to have some impact.

Posted: 2008-04-15 14:37
by CAS_117
i see just as many smacktards in vehicles in 0.7 as 0.5. More in some cases. 10 minutes is plenty of time to have wasted because of being stupid in a vehicle, 20 minutes is just too much to want to fly a vehicle. I usually just go on the ground now. Its just too easy to have your time wasted. lag, tking with an errant SAM, a poor landing, or just getting beat is just not worth the time. and in all seriousness, the way the vehicles and aircraft are in pr theyre just not worth 20 minutes. 10 is plenty.

Posted: 2008-04-15 14:45
by AfterDune
Cp20000 wrote:Quinlin is perfect as it is IMO, the choppers are too powerful to have 3 of, and the 3 minute spawntime reminds me of vanilla.
Couldn't agree more. Also I agree with the guy talking about the reward of shooting a chopper down. Where's the fun in doing that now?

Want low spawntimes? PLEASE go play vanilla.

And, is Thor's Brigade allowed to run with different settings, publicly? If not, well....... But if so, that completely throws away the 'server agreement'.

Posted: 2008-04-15 15:12
by Version13
I think the spawn times are fine personally. I hear so many people crying about waiting for assests and just like BF2 10 people wait for 1 helo to spawn destroying the team dynamic of the game. I see no reason to change the spawn times. I have said this so many times on voip while playing and I'm quiet sure this is what the game developers intended. You get one chance in 20 minutes to fly. The spawn time is to stress the importance of the assets available. Want 3 helos and 2 jets in the sky all the time, hit BF2. This problem will never go away on public servers sadly but that's the way she goes. I still play despite losing half of a team on Al Burj as they are all waiting to fly transport helos. Sucks but I don't pay for admin rights so I play the only way I can, for free. lol
Later.

Posted: 2008-04-15 15:21
by gazzthompson
Cp20000 wrote:people would TK other pilots like mad for the kits.

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u die if u pick up a requestable kit off a guy u just TK IIRC.

also, are they allowed to change the spawn time ?