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Well... lets discuss about militia...

In short they are weak against the GB, cause some people scream CR2 pawns all(i know there is no CR2 on militia maps)...which is sadly true...and if the CR2 doesent finish the yob that the schmitar or the warrior does...

Since the story is somwhere in 2012 or later shouldnt the militia get at least a t-72 or a M-84(for those from croatia and serbia know what i talk about) and not to forget air assets(i know this has been nurgeld upon, but hey a Mi-24 old varriant is easy to find - cause the militia is a weapons dealer organisation, and a Mig-21 would be possible)

Militia as a weapons dealer org. they propably sold weapons to insurgents(which brought them profit), i still wonder where the MEC got their BTR-90 and the T-90 ,but nevertheless...

Militia should be better equipped with better tanks and other armored vehicles...raging from a T-72 to whatnot - from the SSSR days...a T-72 is old LMAO...how could u not get one of those nowdays... especilly the militia would have easy access to them since they are somwhere in russia...

So im all for upgrading the militia... and no falaming to much about the militia could not get a T-72 or a old hind or a mig-21, nor how about the CR2 pawns your grandmother :mrgreen little joke from me)

And this is a suggestion/discussion not a "Militia is weak and they will stay weak" flame thread...ok?

Ello...

I have the heck no idea what this means but..............BUMP

IMO, sooner or later militia will get their own air assets

You can request pilot kit AFAIK

I dont reckon they will. Its one think to have a hind sitting in your warehouse, its another to have all the spares, tools and mechanics able to keep the thing in the air. Helicopters require a massive amount of maintenance in Europe anyway. Dunno what the Russians do but I'd guess a big turbojet chopper like the hind would need looking at quite a lot. They could operate Bell 407s under civilian colours, but not a mi 24. The only rebel force in the world i can think of that has any kind of airforce capable of attack is the Tamil Tigers, and while no doubt very good pilots, calling it an airforce is definitely being optimistic....

BBC NEWS | World | South Asia | Tamil Tigers unveil latest tactic

Lol, so much for discussion

well, IIRC theres a group of mercenaries that operate a mi-24 hind in africa or something.

This IS a discussion Dragosh. I'm not flaming you, I'm just not agreeing with you. You're saying militia should get attack helicopters, I'm saying they shouldn't. If you mistakenly wrote 'no flaming' to mean 'don't post if you don't agree with me' well then I won't post any more. If on the other hand you actually want a discussion, then you might have to entertain the possibility that someone will disagree with you.

Mescaldrav wrote:This IS a discussion Dragosh. I'm not flaming you, I'm just not agreeing with you. You're saying militia should get attack helicopters, I'm saying they shouldn't. If you mistakenly wrote 'no flaming' to mean 'don't post if you don't agree with me' well then I won't post any more. If on the other hand you actually want a discussion, then you might have to entertain the possibility that someone will disagree with you.

Well i have the idea that this is flaming "Helicopters and militia is like a dolphin on a bike" , ur free to dissagree with me, alas that is discussion...

But i think old stuff is easy to get, an Mi-24 is old... everything russian is easy to maintain, well at least much more easy than ami stuff...

[R-CON]Cp wrote:well, IIRC theres a group of mercenaries that operate a mi-24 hind in africa or something.

And if some mercs can fly a heli why couldnt Weapon dealers do it too ?

Militia isnt some "behind the next corner weapon seller group" , they are an org. that surely sold weapons to the insurgents, so they are capable to get a old mi-24 and then patch it up so it works...

the basic point is that, even no matter how old they are, attack helicopers are right after weapons of mass destruction the best controlled weapon and ways harder to get then a MBT. so i would also think, small transport helos of civilian origin would be okay, but not more, because Milita is not meant to be a full army and your suggestions would make them to one.

You now how much one blade in the costs? Just one of them can cost more then a million because it has to be perfect down to the smallest detail. and times that with 4 you have he rotors then its the engine and fuel and all else it costs to have choppers we are talking about some millions for each. I dont believe miltias have the money or the needed people to handle an attack chopper. Besides as mescaldravs pointed out only the tamil tigers have attack choppers, that is because they are ruling over nearly half of sri lanka or whatever country they are in. It isnt really realistic for teh militantas to have attack choppers. Smalll chanse they may have transport chopper, Like a small private chopper that can take 5 guys at most.

If the Militia were to get ANY aircraft/chopper at all...It should be a "civilian" chopper for like scouting or something,or a "Eurocopter"/"Gazelle"...

I personally think they're fine with what they have/how they are...

well since attack helis are too expensive... then would it be possible for the militia to specillize in AT defense, like the AT canons on fools road ?

If they get a transport heli they would propably upgrade it so it can carry 8 guys, at least i think that...

I wouldn't mind seeing a civilian chooper transformed into a rudimentary gunship with a RPK hanging outside the passenger side door. I think that could be quite interesting. But I would want it to be realistic, not some far fetched charlie sheen delta force movie.

General Dragosh wrote:Well... lets discuss about militia...

In short they are weak against the GB, cause some people scream CR2 pawns all(i know there is no CR2 on militia maps)...which is sadly true...and if the CR2 doesent finish the yob that the schmitar or the warrior does...

Since the story is somwhere in 2012 or later shouldnt the militia get at least a t-72 or a M-84(for those from croatia and serbia know what i talk about) and not to forget air assets(i know this has been nurgeld upon, but hey a Mi-24 old varriant is easy to find - cause the militia is a weapons dealer organisation, and a Mig-21 would be possible)

Militia as a weapons dealer org. they propably sold weapons to insurgents(which brought them profit), i still wonder where the MEC got their BTR-90 and the T-90 ,but nevertheless...

Militia should be better equipped with better tanks and other armored vehicles...raging from a T-72 to whatnot - from the SSSR days...a T-72 is old LMAO...how could u not get one of those nowdays... especilly the militia would have easy access to them since they are somwhere in russia...

So im all for upgrading the militia... and no falaming to much about the militia could not get a T-72 or a old hind or a mig-21, nor how about the CR2 pawns your grandmother :mrgreen little joke from me)

And this is a suggestion/discussion not a "Militia is weak and they will stay weak" flame thread...ok?

1) The strength of the CR2 is completely and utterly irrelevant at this point because as you pointed out, no Challenger on Fool's or Mestia.

2) The Militia have plenty of LAT and HAT with which to engage the Scimis and Warriors.

3) A Hind, or any form of attack chopper, is just a no-no for all the reasons people have listed above. It's one thing to be running a small private army to protect your arms business, another to operate a helicopter. If you think that keeping a Mi-24 maintained is easy, I suggest you read up on the Afghanistan war. The mechanical attrition of the Hind due to the hot dusty enviroment kept the Soviet air force struggling.

4) MEC aren't insurgents. They're a fully conventional fighting force of several large nations. They can afford to import or manufactor under license the T-90 and BTR-90 just fine.

5) Militia maps aren't set in Russia. I suggest reading the map description to find out where

6) Just because a tank is old it doesn't make it easy to aquire a working, combat-capable model. The Sherman is old, it doesn't mean that even if I had enough money I'd be able to get my hands on one - AND sufficient quantities of ammunition to make it worthwhile.


The militia are weaker than the British in terms of their equipment, yes... but they would be in real life. The Taleban weren't running M-84s or T-84 around, for example. Nor are the warlords who've taken over from them in many parts of A'stan.


The Militia aren't supposed to be played in the same way that you'd play as MEC, GB US or PLA. You're not supposed to go storming in with a tank, IFV/APC support, guided anti-tank missiles.

The militia are meant to be played much more cleverly:

-Use ambushes and hit-and-fade tactics to take down a British vehicle and then escape before the supporting infantry can pin you down.

-Use explosives to rig buildings/CPs before they become overrun, pull out of the area and then detonate the explosives behind you as you go as the British move in.

-Militia weapons have no tracers. You can open fire from concealment and it will be bloody difficult for the Brits to return fire accurately.

-You can load up with up to 3 RPG-7s in a single squad if your squadmates grab the HAT versions and you grab the LAT. Set good ambushes and you'll rip through a convoy without a problem

-Militia weapons obviously don't have optical sights, for the most part - yes, this makes engaging the Brits at range really difficult. So don't do it! Avoid contact at anything beyond 100m, engage only when you're close up and able to be sure you're going to get the kill.

-Pick up British kits. You loose the no-tracer advantage, but you'll usually gain the scoped weapon. The L85 also sounds very distinctive, and if you open fire at long range there's every possibility that the enemy won't realise it's a hostile firing.


In short, don't bemoan what the militia lack but utilise what they've got. They make a nice change from the standard conventional forces while still playing AAS2 rather than Insurgency mode.

Thank u for pointing so much stuff for me...

I need to do my homework a little better next time

I'd like to see the militia based on real life factions, such as those in the Chechnya/Ingushetia/Dagestan region. Then face them against the Russians when they're done. It'll be hard to find voice actors, since the native languages aren't spoken by many (from what I gather Russian is usually only secondary), but if possible it'd be perfect to me. All that'd really need changing are the voices and map locations.

EDIT: Oh and don't squad leaders currently have the AK-101 from vanilla? I'd like to see them with a 7.62x39 AK, the 103 would be fine (101 just needs a reskin). Medics should also have an SKS, the PPSh-41 is rare even in Russia (I've been informed by [MMC] Nosferatu, who served in the Russian army). An RPD would be sweet instead of the PKM too, but I'm not sure how realistic this would be. I've no complaints about the PKM, it'd just be nice to see an RPD in the game too

Here's my plan for the primary weapons of militia kits:

Officer: scoped AK-101 (Russian Army faction AK-74 w/ optics until a scoped 101 exists)
Militant: AK-74
Scout: PP-19 Bizon
Medic: AKS-74U
Sapper*: SR-3 Whirlwind (Modern Firearms - SR-3 'Vikhr" compact assault rifle)

*The Sapper's name should be changed to show that the Militia is more than just an insurgency with gear.

Spec Ops: SR-3 Whirlwind
Anti-Tank: AKS-74U
Sniper: Scoped Mosin
Anti-Aircraft: PP-19 Bizon


Rifleman AT: AK-74
Automatic Rifleman: PKM/RPD (whichever is in game as of version 0.
Grenadier: AK-74 with GP25
Marksman: SVU (shortened sniper rifle) [http://world.guns.ru/sniper/sn19-e.htm]

Crewman: SR-3 Whirlwind
Pilot: Skorpion (who cares, anyway?)