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Since PR is allowed to use content from vBF2:SF I've always wondered why don't we have the apache from vBF2:SF which TBH looks superior compared to the model PR is using right now.

A few screens so you can compare both models by yourself.

PR apache:


vBF2:SF apache:


I know the vBF2:SF apache would require a new appropriate skin but that's not really a problem. I know someone who would love to do it.
The model itself looks far better than the PR one.

PR has some very nice models like Scimitar and CR2 which both look ace, but I think the Apache might look even better.

AfterDune: Removed some not-so-nice words about PR's Apache model. Choose your words wisely, my friend!

there is nothing wrong with the PR apche model

to be honest, i find the PR model much more better than the vBF2 one... seriously, just look at texture and model quality, Our dev team done better than dice on that.

I agree with him, its look nicer than the current one, More real too.
and hotrod, he allready said the apache would only need a more appropriate skin.

PR model is better, plus the from the looks of it:
AH-64 Apache - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
the hydras should be on the outside not the inside like the vbf2 model

The only thing that might be done with the PR skin is make the paint some lighter for Desert maps, but there are no Apache maps with desert so its perfect..

The only problem I see with the PR Apache is that the skin looks really dark to me, but that's probably a screen's settings issue.

The BF2SF one looks bigger to me, or is it just the lighting?

gazzthompson wrote:PR model is better, plus the from the looks of it:
AH-64 Apache - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
the hydras should be on the outside not the inside like the vbf2 model

The pylons are all mission-modifiable, so they can be either way around.

You can have all Hydras, all Hellfires or any combination of the two; 2x2 is the default though I believe.

I don't know really...
I'm looking at photos and comparing them to the 2 models and the SF model seems to "feel" more accurate. The PR model seems to be more sleek than the photos.
But you shouldn't call someones work "utter **** poor" it's a perfectly usable model.

Is there any real difference between the WAH-64 and the AH-64D?

rockets beeing used, different producer, but nothing special, exept the engines and the electronic, most parts should be interchangable

Who did?

The UK operates a version of the Apache called the Westland WAH-64 Apache, and is designated Apache AH Mk1 by the British Army. Westland has built 67 WAH-64 Apaches under license from Boeing replacing the engines with more powerful Rolls-Royce units. A folding blade assembly for carrier operations is another important change so they can operate alongside amphibious forces off Royal Navy ships. The Westland Apache replaces the Westland Lynx as the British Army's tactical attack helicopter. The WAH-64s are currently deployed in Afghanistan. British WAH-64 Apaches are using the Longbow Fire Control Radar in Afghanistan, saying that it improves situational awareness and avoidance of other aircraft during tactical maneuvers.

Ah-64 is different to the AH-64D coz of the Longbow Fire Control Radar

But the WAH-64 is Westland and has RR engines, im not sure what the US use.

Wikis are your friend

MaxBoZ wrote:The only thing that might be done with the PR skin is make the paint some lighter for Desert maps, but there are no Apache maps with desert so its perfect..

there will be since army uses it in .8

General characteristics

* Crew: 2: pilot, CPG (co-pilot/gunner)
* Length: 58.17 ft (17.73 m) (with both rotors turning)
* Rotor diameter: 48 ft 0 in (14.63 m)
* Height: 12.7 ft (3.87 m)
* Disc area: 1,809.5 ft² (168.11 m²)
* Empty weight: 11,387 lb (5,165 kg)
* Loaded weight: 18,000 lb (8,000 kg)
* Max takeoff weight: 21,000 lb (9,500 kg)
* Powerplant: 2× General Electric T700-GE-701 and later upgraded to T700-GE-701C & T700-GE-701D (1990-today) turboshafts, -701: 1,690 shp, -701C: 1,890 shp -701D 2,000 shp (-701: 1,260 kW, -701C: 1,490 kW) each
* Fuselage length: 49 ft 5 in (15.06 m)
* Rotor systems: 4 blade main rotor, 4 blade tail rotor in non-orthogonal alignment[31]

Performance

* Never exceed speed: 197 knots (227 mph, 365 km/h)
* Maximum speed: 158 knots (182 mph, 293 km/h)
* Cruise speed: 143 knots (165 mph, 265 km/h)
* Combat radius: 260 nm (300 mi, 480 km)
* Ferry range: 1,024 nm (1,180 mi, 1,900 km)
* Service ceiling 21,000 ft (6,400 m)
* Rate of climb: 2,500 ft/min (12.7 m/s)
* Disc loading: 9.80 lb/ft² (47.90 kg/m²)
* Power/mass: 0.18 hp/lb (310 W/kg)

Armament

* Guns: 1× M230 30 mm (1.18 in) cannon, 1,200 rounds
* Rockets: Hydra 70 FFAR rockets
* Missiles: combination of AGM-114 Hellfire, AIM-92 Stinger, AIM-9 Sidewinder

See i said wikis are friends , back on topic tho

Simple answer, because a home made pie tastes way better then a pie bought from a supermarket.

Also, be a tad nicer to the PR modellers, they spent quite some time making that apache. Give them some credit, perhaps even a hug!

Both apaches look nice. And for the sake of the modeller i'm not going to tell which one.