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Sorry Rhino, but realistically, the only people that could go in that awesome Mosque on Muttrah(was Beta, ive seen the inside, BAD @$$!!!!!) is the MEC, United States soldiers are not allowed to go into any Mosque, heck they need permission to fire at Insurgents ON TOP OF a mosque. So the MEC flag inside the Mosque....I suggest that the Mosque becomes their uncappable, main base.

Unless, you coud model a MEC soldier to wear a (vanilla)USMC uniform and, put him in the ranks of the USMC/US Army, then you could send in a squad or two of them.

So to be realistic, either you should make the flag uncappable, make the USMC cap from both north and south until the Mosque is left(Jabal style), or just put the Mosque flag outside the Mosque.

Yea,(in-game) but on Basrah,UK guys still go around the mosque..it is just a game,so maybe we can make exceptions...

agentscar wrote:Yea,(in-game) but on Basrah,UK guys still go around the mosque..it is just a game,so maybe we can make exceptions...

Good point, I totally did not just edit your post....

Anyways, soldiers can go AROUND a mosque, but soldiers cannot go IN a mosque
The only way that a suspected mosque can be swept for arms and insurgents is to send in Iraqi Police or Iraqi Army soldiers.

I guarantee you that in real life during a full scale conventional battle the US Army or USMC are not going to bother asking no one to run in there and bust some heads.

EDIT: Remember this is not the Iraqi insurgency, this is full scale war with a clear and defined enemy.

agentscar wrote:As Grif once said, I just want everybody to know that im a girl...and I like ribbions in my hair, and I want to kiss all the boys...

Haha, im just kidding. But really, GB,US,UKR,POL, and other NATO nations(yeah I know Ukrane isn't NATO.....YET...) do not allow their soldiers to enter a mosque.

Osama Bin Laden started his hate of America and the west(atleast started doing something about it) when American forces ENTERED SAUDI ARABIA(o F@#$ thats offensive to muslims!!!) And then Bin Laden started to get up and do something against America and the west.

Imagine how we would look when Oman...wait...yeah, Oman officials are talking about how a civilian has a tape of American soldiers ENTERING A MOSQUE! At that point Saudi Arabia(who would 99% likley be on the fence) would join the MEC! And nobody(in the west) wants all of the middle east against them, especially with the holy land against us, then everybody(middle eastern muslims) would stand up and fight, even many peaceful ones.

Bottom line: There is no way western soldiers would enter a Mosque.

'[=TC= wrote:nuetron;731107']Haha, im just kidding. But really, GB,US,UKR,POL, and other NATO nations(yeah I know Ukrane isn't NATO.....YET...) do not allow their soldiers to enter a mosque.

Osama Bin Laden started his hate of America and the west(atleast started doing something about it) when American forces ENTERED SAUDI ARABIA(o F@#$ thats offensive to muslims!!!) And then Bin Laden started to get up and do something against America and the west.

Imagine how we would look when Oman...wait...yeah, Oman officials are talking about how a civilian has a tape of American soldiers ENTERING A MOSQUE! At that point Saudi Arabia(who would 99% likley be on the fence) would join the MEC! And nobody(in the west) wants all of the middle east against them, especially with the holy land against us, then everybody(middle eastern muslims) would stand up and fight, even many peaceful ones.

Bottom line: There is no way western soldiers would enter a Mosque.

Dude what are you talking about? There is no story line for PR. No one ever said that the Saudis were in the war or not. You clearly saw that bit about US troops asking for permission on a history/discovery channel show and now you think that they do that all the time. You are mistaken.

U.S. Troops Raid Abu Hanifa Mosque, Destroy Fallujah Relief Goods - The NewStandard

U.S. troops battle insurgents in Baghdad mosque - CNN.com

Warning: Caps Usage is in Use.


Bf2 was never supposed to have a story


Why would anybody care about entering mosques. Nato forces are there to do their job. And nothings there to stop them. In Iraq they don't care about a mosque until the mission goal is achieved. Which is restoring Iraq to its people.

Ironcomatose wrote:I guarantee you that in real life during a full scale conventional battle the US Army or USMC are not going to bother asking no one to run in there and bust some heads.

EDIT: Remember this is not the Iraqi insurgency, this is full scale war with a clear and defined enemy.

Thats a big "ROGER!"

Kaffi Java wrote:Thats a big "ROGER!"

+1

The MEC forces have invaded Muttrah so most likely they should not be occupying the mosque either as muslims are split into many different denominations

Sabre_tooth_tigger wrote:The MEC forces have invaded Muttrah so most likely they should not be occupying the mosque either as muslims are split into many different denominations

Thats a possibility too. Thats why there is no story with PR, all you need to know that it is a future fictional full scale war. Basically you cant compare it to anything thats going on today because nothing like seen in PR has every happened.

Ironcomatose wrote:Dude what are you talking about? There is no story line for PR. No one ever said that the Saudis were in the war or not. You clearly saw that bit about US troops asking for permission on a history/discovery channel show and now you think that they do that all the time. You are mistaken.

Actually, US Soldiers are not allowed to enter a Mosque. End of story.

And the thing about US troops entering a mosque, yeah I am sure that US troops smashed a gate, purposly destroyed supplies meant for civilians, then went inside a Mosque...Then they stepped on the Iraqis, hmph...

This story would have been bigger had they had a video tape or credible evidence or something, then it would have been all over the BBC for 6 straight weeks! I hardly doubt that this really happened, that non-Iraqi soldiers entered a Mosque, that food supplies were purposufully destroyed, that they were stepped on(also a great insult besides just being stepped on), and that the troops just didn't care, destroying a Mosque and doing all of this.

Not that I have strong nationalism or am "tricked by American propaghanda" but I just simply don't believe that US troops would do something so blatent, disrespectful to a people who we are trying to get respect from, and so insulting.

United States Armed forces are not allowed to enter a Mosque, that seems as...stupid...as the movie "The Kindgom" where an American team goes into Saudi Arabia to find a terrorist. How more offensive could it get(if it were real life)? They have a woman on their team. WOW. I hardly doubt that American policy makers would allow US Troops to do anything offensive, at this point as it was when we entered Iraq, but more so, we need to be as little offensive to them as possible, and allowing 50 Christian Americans isn't a great idea. (no, most likley all of them won't be Christian, but all American).

The part about Saudi Arabia well Saudi Arabia hasn't been willing to enter any coalition since it fought against the Israelis in the Israeli War of Independence. The Saudis were on the loosing side of course, or Israel wouldn't be here. The Saudi's arent willing to join an anti-west alliance because if they loose than the west would not be very likley to buy much oil from them, but If they join the west's side, than of course they would be like Israel(except Muslim like the rest) and there is NO chance that they would join a MEC because it is the holy land and after the war(if anybody is still alive, or if it was a Nuclear war) than all Middle Eastern states(even Egypt) and many African nations would take down the government .

Saudi Arabia would NOT fight against a MEC, but there are many reasons why it would not fight with one.

(sorry for the length)

Ironcomatose wrote:Basically you cant compare it to anything thats going on today because nothing like seen in PR has every happened.

I will keep this quote in my word documents.
You will see.....You will see....

Well if a mosque is an enemy strong point they can.

Feuerwaffen wrote:In Iraq they don't care about a mosque until the mission goal is achieved. Which is restoring Iraq to its people.

But to restore Iraq to its people, they need to have a working government that is fair to all people, but since the groups are different sizes(Shiites biggest) it is pretty hard to convince them that they should all be one country where they vote for one man, considering the Shiite candidate would most likely win every time.

And while it is the NATO nations responsibility to restore Iraq to its people, but while we are there building up its government its best not to offend the people, we have enough against us, offending more and enlarging their numbers...ehhhhh I wouldn't go there.

Ok where are we going here....

We are talking about the mosques -_-

Feuerwaffen wrote:Well if a mosque is an enemy strong point they can.

In the United States, no judge will allow police to raid a Mosque, US forces can only raid a Mosque if the forces entering the Mosque are Iraqi Police or Iraqi soldiers are the only ones going inside.

Ok then when we are fighting MEC in an abandoned city whos gonna care?

The MEC flag inside the Mosque should be right outside, or an uncappable.

Trust me, when I first walked throught it I thought this would be THE most intense gunfight if it were the final MEC flag...But when I think about it...Considering that when you attack a last flag, there aren't 3 squads guarding it and you run throught them like a "1337 h4x0r" only stopping to reload and throw grenades.. But when's the last time you were attacking the final base? or trying to guard the final base for your team? It usually isn't an awesonme intense fight where everyone is having fun. Usually(yes this happens to me too) we camp the h3lla outta them(that round as USMC in Desert Storm was awesome) but that was 90% due to the fact that we did it in less than 8 minutes flat and I was commander(F@#$ YEAH!). However I have been camped before, and its no fun in Kufrah spawning in the barracks and then being shot by a Marine(a while ago) then finally killing him, running out the door, and being shot by a Marine in the corner covering any MEC who exit the barracks(plus there was smoke which added to...many..many teamkills..batting and catching).

Imagine the last time you got camped, but now you're inside a building, which suddenly shrinks 8x becuase 20 Marines rush inside and smoke the Mosque out. That isn't going to be an awesome adrenaline charge with a MG killing as many enemies as you can,
and this comming from a guy who killed a whole squad with a SVD, and held a whole squad from advancing(in Mestia) by killing most of a squad until they wouldnt com into West Tower, then rushing out with only a stolen L9 and black n white sight I was soo far gone and killed one more...(no, not bragging, if I was i'd be more pround, I am saying this would suck)
This will not be an awesome adrenaline charge, This will be(no matter what team you're on) a 5 step jog, then BOOM.

The Mosque is awesome. It is great, and a visual attraction(try checking it out some time, before the enemies see you inside and throw 8 grenades by your feet) But trying to cap that flag will be a bloodbath(if people bled out in PR the Mosque would be red) having it outside would make it easier to try to kill enemies attacking and defending. While not allowing US Marines to do something which is not allowed.