Limited Mk. 19 HMMWV?

[gclark03]

I've been thinking about this - yes, it is technically a re-suggestion, and I actually did suggest the Mk. 19 (in a different role) when I first joined the PR forum, but I've never seen anything like this, so I thought it might be worth sharing with the community.

Right now, there are two basic types of HMMWV in Project Reality: the .50 cal HMMWV, and the limited TOW HMMWV. However, in an asymmetrically balanced map, the TOW could quite possibly be overkill.

I'm not suggesting this because the Mk. 19 is overpowered and hard to balance (it is both). Instead, I'm suggesting it because it IS realistic, and it can be used where the TOW would be severely overpowered in an asymmetrical map.

Perhaps the US Army faction could use the Mk 19 HMMWV to help balance its Stryker APCs against the BTR-90 and the Chinese APC (forget the name), much like the USMC uses its TOWs against Chinese armor in Qwai River.

[ostupidman]

Love the idea. Mark 19 is a wonderful weapon system. Just don't know that the devs will go with it cause of the noob spam that will surely follow. Get some vBF2 newbie and all your gonna hear is that wonderful thump thump thump sound, but constantly and probably to no gain. Would really love to see it though.

[gazzthompson]

nube tube taken to a different level

[Rudd]

No thanks, it would completely destroy infantry (bad memories of Joint Operations with mk19 hummers on top of little birds...) TOWs are the way

[bosco_]

Can imagine that on Insurgency maps.

[gclark03]

Could it be a one-time-use vehicle (no respawn) on certain maps?

This thing would be very useful on Kashan 16, but probably overkill against normal .50 cal FAVs. If a realistic Vodnik is added, though, the Mk. 19 HMMWV would be fit well - the Vod is capable of killing any HMMWV without a second thought, but not the way DICE made it.

[77SiCaRiO77]

No thanks, it would completely destroy infantry

as they should?

SRSLY , whats all this **** about inf rape , noob tube ,etc ,etc ? just think about it as a MINI APC with less armor .

i agree it could be used in some maps , not assymetrical (aka insurgents or militia) necesary .

[Rudd]

as they should?

SRSLY , whats all this **** about inf rape , noob tube ,etc ,etc ? just think about it as a MINI APC with less armor .

i agree it could be used in some maps , not assymetrical (aka insurgents or militia) necesary .

because there is such a thing as overpowerd

you can have the mk19, but i'd want a javelin

[RCMoonPie]

I think it could be usefull on many maps.
It would just need to have some checks and balances of course to be in game.

I agree with 77SiCaRiO77 above....
Why is it that when anyone uses a grenade launcher regardless of the type.....the name "noob-tube" gets thrown about. I remember this name getting tossed out back almost 10 years ago, back when Novalogic's BlackHawk Down was in its prime.
It predates BF1942 for sure.
Using this term "noob-tube" is a form of "whining" in my book, since it usually comes directly from some baby who just got wasted by one.

I think it would have a place on ANY map so long as it is limited to a degree.
It is a great support weapon!
I would even place one one Basrah....but only one. And with a little longer spawn-time as well.
I could see a squad taking a Mk19 hummer in to a position. All unload except the driver and gunner.
The rest move in to look for a cache. As they move in they meet some heavy resistance. The SL pops smoke and chucks it at the enemy pos. He then calls for back up from the Mk19. Who promptly begins to thump rounds down range and levels a building and its insurgent inhabtants....revealing a hidden cache!

Woo-hoo!

[steve_06-07]

IF balancing is an issue, there's a variant of the Vodnik that carries a 23mm cannon instead of the .50 cal, that could balance it a little more.

[ReaperMAC]

Can imagine that on Insurgency maps.

Aye.

[tlindy]

A couple of things that you use to balance it would be it uses a small ammo can 38 rounds if I can remember right, they dont reload real fast, they do have a blast radius so you cant (or shouldnt) engage near targets with it.

[AnRK]

It's a bit weak when you have to start balancing thing with low ammo counts though. Anyway the whole thing with it being inf rape is pretty stupid as people have said, you'd be a bit disappointed if a tank didn't destroy infantry wouldn't you? Anyway these things could easily be flanked and taken down with an L-AT.

[gclark03]

A couple of things that you use to balance it would be it uses a small ammo can 38 rounds if I can remember right, they dont reload real fast, they do have a blast radius so you cant (or shouldnt) engage near targets with it.

I don't want a crippled Mk. 19 HMMWV, I want a real Mk. 19 HMMWV. The only things the DEVs can rightfully screw around with in the name of realism is the number of them on the map.

Remember, the DEVs can always say something like this to rationalize a low number of them:

"Because of World War III's strain on America's military-industrial complex, not enough Mk. 19 grenade launchers can be fabricated to satiate the military's demand. As a result, they are to be reserved for anti-vehicular use, and kept away from direct combat if at all possible."

Anyway, AnRK is absolutely right: being a preemptive solution to a problem that probably won't exist, the ammo count fix simply won't work for this.

[Rudd]

If this was to be implemented I'd want a anti solo device on these things tbh, i.e. needs a driver or something cuz the mk19 would be the ultimate noob magnet (and I mean this in terms that ppl might do the one person locked squad joke called "mk19" grab the hummer and just sit on a hill pwning stuff) 77SiCaRiO77 is right in what he says, but I'd want the asset used realistically.

[gclark03]

Give it the same restrictions and timers as the TOW HMMWV, as well as whatever they'll come up with in 0.8 that helps solve the problem.

[RCMoonPie]

A couple of things that you use to balance it would be it uses a small ammo can 38 rounds if I can remember right, they dont reload real fast, they do have a blast radius so you cant (or shouldnt) engage near targets with it.

They are as easy to reload as a 50cal and just as fast to do so.

Just like the M203....they must spool for a short distance to arm.
I'm not sure the exact distance.....but it seemed to be 15 to 20 yards.
To me its kind of obvious though.....
I wouldnt THROW a frag at someone closer than 15 yards(without sufficient cover).....I certainly wouldnt try and launch one that close either.

[ostupidman]

Thing is a beast....I know it can punch through the rear armor of older soviet armor. If the vodnik got a cannon though i think that would tip the power in it's favor. While the mk 19 is an excellent support weapon it doesnt have the range of the cannon, or the ability to put rounds onto the target as quickly or accurately, coupled with the fact that the cannon would also have HE rounds so basically the only real advantage a mk 19 would have was the ability to arc grenades over distance obstacles and have a slightly bigger blast radius vs infantry.

[Conman51]

i say put it in but only give it 1 or 2 reloads...then bring it back to a bunker to rearm it


OR...

make it a deployable asset like the 50 cal....2 50 cals or 1 mk. 19..or 1 50 cal and a mk 19....

and im preety sure there is a soviet auto grenade launcher...dont know the name

[Hotrod525]

i would like to seen Mk19 on jeep, there equivalent exist in China and in Russia, so MEC is fix...