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Some recent observations

Posted: 2008-07-28 15:28
by Outlawz7
*rant thread activate*

I play PR with an average FPS rate of 30-50 depending on the map, usually 80-100 on desert maps (Jabal, Kashan).

We all know that the lovely little suppression effect is based on frames and the faster your frames go, the less you experience it.
So here I am, stuck a rooftop at Sunset City, a nearby PLA marksman just got headshoted and thinking 'since then thing is so ridiculously accurate, why let it disappear' and pick it up.

I stay back to avoid being spotted and when I peek over I see a US rifleman taking cover behind a staircase, I take two shots at him at I'm convinced I just killed him. But no, I take another peek, fire at him again, this time bullet goes 10 cm past his head and hits the ground next to him and he just fires back at me, wounding me with one shot.

At that moment a lot more fire comes my way and I turn away from that spot, waiting for the suppression effect to wear off. I peek again and start shooting at a squad bunched up. Convinced that I am in fact suppressing them, like they suppressed me, one of them looks at me and headshots me with one shot.

So this is where the math doesn't add up: how come could I be immediately suppressed so much I had to go hide back in my "hole",yet the people I take pot shots at, just fire back at me.

Then I of course recall the picture when someone had FPS of 2000 on low settings and everything becomes clear: all my enemies have an uber-PC and suppression from one or two shots doesn't mean **** to them, but it suppresses me so much like a tank shell just hit me.

So hooray for hardware advantages. :-| :-| :-|

Next one: what the hell is wrong with people that want to "attack the mosque" as British?
I've seen some lazy excuses like 'a cache is there' etc. but we all know, that you are in for the kills. Screw the ammo caches, let's go to the source and kill them all!!111

Same goes for the Insurgents: why bother defending the caches somewhere in the city, let's all spawn en masse at the village so we can have head-on firefights with the British, because sitting next to an ammo crate is boring.
Head on assaults. Then you wonder, why you get owned so much.

Mosin-Nagant sniper rifle.
Of course after the M82 got removed, everyone's new #1 priority is to immediately get into the city and steal the two Mosins off the market stand and go snipe with them.

The British especially like them, because the are literally silenced. What's even more hilarious at times, people will sit around the rooftops with Mosins trying to be superleet undercover spec ops sniper blablah, while the ones with the actual British sniper rifles will go around the city and get killed in close combat.

However nothing beats the person, who takes a Merlin to fly up high, then bail out and parachute into the mosque to steal a Mosin.
Nice going, you just wasted a perfectly good chopper and 10 tickets so you can go snipe Insurgents around. Betcha you can't do it again.
But they do. I've been on a round where one guy even boasted how he wasted the Merlin to paradrop into the mosque to steal the Mosin. Then when he got killed the next thing was "Merlin up high somewhere" moments later a brand new helicopter is falling down from the sky and a tiny dot throwing red smoke flying through the air straight into the mosque. And it was the same person again.

Of course the winner has to be today, when I joined Battlearena spawned at the mosque, then I hear footsteps and a Brit runs out of the mosque with a Mosin up the stairs towards me. I shot him on spot then some Insurgent runs in shooting at me. I notice a guy with SA7 next to him going on the roof.
Moments later I hear a Merlin and think 'oh good, that SA7 guy is in for some nice kills' when all of a sudden I hear fire then I see Mr.Traitor[Teamkills]SA7guy on top of screen.
Then I look around the corner and see the Merlin landing in the middle of the mosque and tons of marksmen and spec ops bailing out.
I realized what actually was going on and alt+F4'd in disgust.

So to sum it all up, because al-Basrah is an Insurgency map with Insurgents in it who are at a huge disadvantage, every Brit and his dog wants to play it to kill Insurgents and Insurgents play it to kill British in their own ways and no one cares about the ammo caches, ambushing or searching the city. I think the latter is translated as 'go lone wolf and run around the city and when you find a cache, kill it with hand grenades'.


I'll add more when I come to it.

Re: Some recent observations

Posted: 2008-07-28 15:34
by google
Yeah, I agree with you on the Surpression thing, I have a super crappy comp so when I get surpressed I find cover for 5-10 seconds before I can continue shooting. And I notice that when I am surpressing someone they always seem to headshot me...

Re: Some recent observations

Posted: 2008-07-28 15:55
by x.trEm*e
just because of the suppresion effect I stopped playing as much PR
cuz the guys who I´m shooting bursts at, and see dust going off them, make a clear 180 out of their sprint, and kill me with a single, clearly semi fired shot...

thats the thing I dont get 9 of 10 times, 1. where is their uber suppression effect? when I see it while I am firing, and they obviusly not? 2.why dont they have to wait 2 secs, and just instant me?

anyway, yes outlawz, you are right about insurgency, you see that happen everytime, when only one squad is running around for caches and brits loose because of not having 9999 tickets as INS do

Re: Some recent observations

Posted: 2008-07-28 15:58
by Big Black D
Because of the supression effect, no one opens fire until they have a head shot, instead of firing, missing, and getting head shot themselves. Instead of doing what it was supposed to, the supression effect has made people fire less.

Re: Some recent observations

Posted: 2008-07-28 16:01
by bosco_
And it's not like there are dozens of threads about the suppression already, nooo.....

Re: Some recent observations

Posted: 2008-07-28 16:01
by Sadist_Cain
I do love it when you go off on one Outlawz :D

Re: Some recent observations

Posted: 2008-07-28 16:09
by Alex6714
I do agree that basrah could do with some serious tweaking. The last round I played started off with some guy hopping in big red, blowing up at palace teamkilling half the team and all the vehicles and then a 2 land rovers coming and destroying the bridges, with us powerless to stop it.

Most of the problems are the players of course, but simple things like changing the position of the kits so the insurgents can use them and giving the insurgents a way out of the palace just like the brits have would help alot.

Re: Some recent observations

Posted: 2008-07-28 16:55
by cyberzomby
Gotta agree with the story above. Happened to me a few times as well. Its not really annoying but more frustrating. You think you surpressed them but they headshot you! :P

Re: Some recent observations

Posted: 2008-07-28 16:58
by Spaz
When I get shot at I get the effect but I will still fire back as I take cover, its not impossible to see or anything you can still with no problem shot back at the one shooting at you and if you shot a lot of bullets at least one should hit. Yes this is unrealistic but its works for me and I want to kill the enemy not get killed.

Also I got a 100fps at all times at all maps so the effect does not last very long for me.

Re: Some recent observations

Posted: 2008-07-28 17:00
by Scot
Whenever there are shots near me, return fire in the general direction, never know, one might hit.

Re: Some recent observations

Posted: 2008-07-28 20:12
by KP
Rant + suppression = discussed to death, people. Locked, however right the OP may be. And we all know which way these threads go anyway. ;)